Christ's Death and Resurrection
J. Wilfred Johnson
April 7th 1976
Transcribed from C/D #41 & #42
November 15, 2013 thru November 26,
(Wilfred) I wasn’t sure I was going to be able to make it at all for
awhile. But it wouldn’t be the first time that the Lord had provided
sufficient strength to carry through with the program and I hope He’ll
see fit to do that again tonight.
The last time I think we came across a statement, I think John brought
it up to us that was taken from the 5th volume of the SDA Bible
Commentary page 1150. And I thought to just make a few comments
first. Incidentally I did not get a chance this week to prepare the
study that I had intended; in fact I was so preoccupied that I even
forgot what it was I said I was going to do. Someone reminded me that
it was “The Shaking” that I said I would deal with. Is that correct? So
it’s going to be more or less off the cuff tonight.
This is on page 1155, the
SDA Bible Commentary; “When (Jesus) closed his
eyes in death upon the cross, the soul of Christ did not go at once to
heaven, as many believe,” She is touching here on the doctrine of
death where the souls goes immediately to heaven and is still
conscience. And she says,“Or how could His words be true - "I am not
yet ascended to my Father"? The spirit of Jesus slept in the tomb with
His body, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a
separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples
embalming the body from which it had taken flight. All that comprised
the life and intelligence of Jesus remained with His body in the
sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a whole being; He did not
have to summon His spirit from heaven. He had power to lay down His
life and to take it up again.” Now there are several things in there
that we just want to take another look at. Jesus said to Mary; touch me
not for I have not yet ascended to my Father. When He closed his eyes
in death upon the cross the soul of Christ did not go at once to
heaven. Do you remember what the soul is? When we are talking about the
soul in this sense as apart from the body. You know the Bible talks
about a living soul, meaning the whole thing. The mind and the heart
and the body and the spirit it’s all soul. But there is another use for
the term; do you remember what that was?
(John) The mind?
(Wilfred) Yes that’s close to it. It takes in the thinking part of a
person, the mind and the heart and the character, that portion of an
individual which is a conscience thinking reasoning being. Now it does
not exist without the body because it is built upon the operation of
about twelve billion brain cells and some glands up there in the head.
If you take away any portion of that, there is a certain amount of
thinking mechanism or the personality mechanism that just doesn’t
function and if you keep whittling away at it until there is no brain
cells left there is no consciousness, there is no thinking, there is no
When protestant denominations speak in terms of the soul going to
heaven or the spirit going to heaven they’re thinking in terms of the
thinking part of a person including the consciousness. That when a
person dies his consciousness and thinking mechanism carries on, just
the body stays here. Now Sister White is saying; How can that be with
Jesus when He said, I have not yet ascended to my Father? Do you
remember we spoke about this soul thing and we gave the illustration
about losing a limb then another one and so on and we finally ended up
deciding that the eye is something to do with the mind or the thinking
part, the consciousness. So when Jesus says I have not yet ascended to
my Father He didn’t just mean his body He meant his person hadn’t gone
up there yet. Do you follow the thought? Now she uses the word “spirit”
in the next paragraph, she says “The spirit of Jesus slept in the
tomb" In a way it is fortunate that our English language is so rich
in many words that have been borrowed or infiltrated from other
countries but in a way it is unfortunate because we get into the habit
of using words very loosely, we all do it. If you look in any English
dictionary you’ll find that there are several meaning for many, many,
words that can be used in different ways. And the same thing is true in
the translation in the Bible and Sister White is guilty of the same
thing. She sometimes uses spirit and sometime she uses soul to mean the
Now here she’s talking about the soul of Jesus, the thinking part of
Him, the conscious part, the spirit. She’s not thinking in terms of the
spirit of life that was breathed into Adam’s nostrils to make Him a
living Soul, that is not what she is talking about here she’s talking
about the thinking part of Him. How do I know that? Well because she
says it right in the next three words. She says the spirit of Jesus
slept, so she is talking about the conscious aspect isn’t she? Because
that’s the part that sleeps. So don’t get confused on the word spirit
there. It really means the same thing as she was talking about before,
about the soul of Christ. “The (soul) of Christ slept in the tomb
with his body and did not wing it’s way to heaven, there to maintain a
separate existence.” Again you can see that she is talking about
the soul, not just the spirit of life. “And to look down upon the
mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight.
All that comprised the life and intelligence of Jesus remained with His
body in the sepulcher;” In other words that portion of the body
which brought about the existence of a soul when the spirit of life was
present remained with the body in the tomb it didn’t go any place. All
his brain mechanism, all his records of his memory, the functions, and
all the rest of it were all in there yet but they were not conscious. I
mean the soul of Christ was not conscious in as much as you aren’t when
you are asleep. The stuff is all in there but you are not aware of it.
Now that remained in the sepulcher with the body just as it does with
you when you go to sleep at night. I didn't read that those are my own
words. “And when He came forth it was as
a whole being; He did not have to summon His spirit from heaven. He had
power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”
Now this part about having power to lay down his life and take it up
again is another aspect that I would like to just consider. We are made
in the image of God, Adam was the first one that was created and he is
the sample of all others excepting that he was created directly. And
the rest of us were generated through the process of human birth. But
Jesus came in this process and so He is a pretty good example as well
for us. But what happened to Adam? It said that God formed him from the
dust of the ground and He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
and then He became a living soul. All the constituent parts were
manufactured out of the elements of the earth and we can dissect a
human being today and analyze the various constituent parts and say
exactly how many grams of each there are in any one particular being
and most of us is made up of water, we are all wet. But water is a very
important constituent. It used to be that we were worth about ninety
some cents they told me when I was in my teen age, I understand it’s a
little higher now, we are more valuable now than then but with the
inflation I don’t know whether it make much difference, you can
probably still buy the same amount in exchange for it.
Now what happens when a man dies? That spirit that was breathed into
him to make him a living soul returns to God who gave it.
How about Ecclesiastes
12:7 I thought I had some texts marked here but
I am not sure those are the right ones. Let’s take a look at
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:” That’s what Adam was made out of. “And the spirit shall return
unto God who gave it.” That’s at death. Do you understand? Now look,
did Jesus die in his humanity on the cross.
(A woman in the audience) Yes.
(Wilfred) Yes He did. Then what happened to his spirit of life that
gave Him life in his humanity? It went back to God who gave it the same
as any other spirit. However there is another aspect. Don’t fasten your
mind on that too severally in thinking in terms as God being a long
ways off and the spirit wandering off through space back to God.
How much of Jesus stayed in the tomb?
(John) All of it.
(Wilfred) Let’s look at Job
14:10 Maybe this is the same thing I’m not
too clear on everything tonight but I’ll do the best I can. All right,
here’s another thought I would like to get in. It says; “But man dieth,
and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up” The what? “The ghost, and
where is he?” The Old Testament and even in the New Testament speaks in
terms of dying as giving up the ghost. Now the ghost is another term
translated from the word spirit. It’s the same idea. When you give up
the spirit of life you are giving up the ghost, it’s the spirit of
life. Man gives it up.
I have one more here I think. Genesis
49:33 Jacob had just finished
blessing all his sons. 33 “And when Jacob had made an end of commanding
his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the
ghost, and was gathered unto his people.” What does that mean?
(Ted) He died.
(Wilfred) That’s very simply what it means. What does it mean that he
yielded up the ghost? He gave up the spirit of life and was gathered
unto his people.
(Same woman) Unintelligible
(Wilfred) It’s just an expression they used in those days. That he went
where all his other people had gone. Where the other people who had
died had gone. He was buried of course, that is also in the Bible but I
won’t take time to find it.
All right now, to get a clear concept of this let’s look at some
further texts. First I’m going to turn to page 1113 in the 5th volume
of the SDA Bible Commentary.
It says; “He who had said, "I lay down my
life, that I might take it again," And. "Destroy this temple, and
in three days I will raise it up," He who said this, “Came forth
from the grave to life that was in Himself. Deity did not die. Humanity
died, but Christ now proclaims over the rent sepulcher of Joseph, "I am
the resurrection, and the life." In His divinity Christ possessed the
power to break the bonds of death. He declares that He had life in
Himself to quicken whom He will.”
Now you remember that it said that divinity did not die but humanity
did. If He had not released his divinity He could not have died in his
humanity. Because in his divinity there was no death and as long as
divinity was tied in with the humanity it would sustain Him. Now there
is a mystery there and I think we need to be careful as to just how far
we go. One statement she says is that He could have used his divinity,
His divine power to have withstood the inroads of disease and so on.
She doesn’t come out and say He was diseased and that He suffered from
disease. Some people feel that He never was sick. Yet that statement
seems to indicate that maybe he was. Maybe He had some afflictions in
his humanity. Because she said He could have used his divine power to
prevent the inroads of disease and so on. However that’s not the point
we want to be concerned about at the moment.
He did not use his divinity in his own behalf at any time in his
sojourn in this world He depended entirely on the power from his
Father. We’ve got that clear I hope. That does not say that He could
not have done it. The eternal life that He had obtained from the Father
as a gift, according to his own words, was his and the Father would
never take it away from Him. He laid it down voluntarily and when He
took it up again He took it up for one purpose and I think I can read
it, if I can find it. Well, she says someplace here that He took it up
again that He might give it to mankind. But I can’t spot it right now.
I’ll come across it perhaps a little later as I leave.
Now it says here that He came forth from the grave to life that
was in himself, deity did not die.
(John) Here’s that statement you wanted it’s in the SDA Bible
Commentary vol. 5 page 1113; “Christ was invested with the right
give immortality.” Then the next statement, do you want to read that?
(Wilfred) You can read it.
(John) “Christ was invested with the right to give immortality. The
life which He had laid down in humanity, He again took up and gave to
(Wilfred) Is that clear? Isn’t that clear? What did He take up this
eternal life for? To give it to humanity. We’ll discuss this in
connection with the Everlasting Covenant, that this is what He did it
for. And I think we have also tied in how this eternal life is embodied
in humanity haven’t we? Yes we have.
Through what agency does this eternal life come from Christ to
(Another man) The Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) The Holy Spirit. Ahhh, I better not get into that because
rather deep and some of us haven’t had the background on it. So we
better leave that.
All right Now, I would like to also read from 1114 of the SDA Bible Commentary
vol. 5. “He who died for the sins of the world was to remain in the
tomb the allotted time. He was in that stony prison house as a prisoner
of divine justice. He was responsible to the Judge of the universe. He
was bearing the sins of the world,” Now notice! “And His
Father only could release Him.”
I tried to find that statement, John, which says that He came forth by
a power inherent in himself and I couldn’t spot it. Do you know where
(Larry) It’s in the Desire
(Wilfred) I thought it was. I checked through there and I couldn’t find
it. I guess I checked too fast. Ok, at least we have evidence from
other people that it is there. It says something to the effect that He
came forth from the tomb by a power that was inherent in himself. Now
we tend to get the idea from that statement that He decided to come
forth from the tomb on his own and He came forth. Well you mustn’t jump
to conclusions on single statements you’ve got to be careful, we warned
you about this before and we warn you again. Notice what it says again
on page 1113; “When the voice of the angel was heard saying, "Thy
Father calls thee," Now I want to ask you. How can a person who is
unconscious and we have read that, He was asleep, How can a person who
is asleep and unconscious hear somebody calling them?
(John) It’s a figure of speech.
(Wilfred) That’s right it’s a figure of speech. You can’t hear until
you become conscious and then you are already there. I mean you are
there before he called you. Do you understand? It has to be a figure of
speech. All right who was it that called Him? The Father. Did He raise
himself from the tomb or did his Father raise him? That’s the question.
(John) It says here that the voice of the angel was heard saying; “Thy
Father calls thee.”
(Wilfred) Yes. Who raised him from the dead?
(Same woman) Unintelligible
(Wilfred) The Spirit of life. Just like giving up the ghost just like
Jacob did he gathered his feet up into the bed and gave up the ghost.
(Same woman) Well how did he stay alive if he gave it up then?
(Wilfred) He didn’t have it.
(John) It says plainly in Matthew 27:50 “Jesus, when he had cried again
with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”
(Wilfred) See? Exactly the same as Jacob did. Same thing. Now that’s
the spirit of life don’t mix it up with the other Spirit that she talks
about in the soul that remained with him in the tomb. His soul, his
personality, his thinking mechanism, the whole pattern remained. But
the spirit of life, that spark that gave life to this mechanism left,
He gave it up. And prior to that He had given up his divine life. And
remember He cried out; My God, My God, why have thou forsaken me? This
had to be done or He could not have died. So now there are two spirits
of life in Christ because He was both human and divine. Do you
understand that? There was the human spirit of life and there was the
divine Spirit of life. The divine Spirit of life was life in itself,
eternal life, unborrowed, underived, nobody could take it away from
him. The human spirit of life was the same human spirit that you and I
have. And when you molest the human body sufficiently that spirit
leaves and you die unless you’ve got a miraculous power to sustain you.
Is that clear.
Now if you want to know who raised Jesus from the dead I’ll give you
some texts. First let’s try Romans
6:4. We are going to discover here I
think some point that may be important. The apostle Paul taking
here; 4 “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by” The what?
(John) The glory.
(Wilfred) Of the Father. Anybody want to try to explain that?
(Another woman) The glory of the Father is his character.
(Wilfred) Yes, and what is the character of the Father? Unselfish love.
Can you define God’s character? Ahhh, that’s too hard a question. Let
me give it to you. God’s character is fundamentally love and it’s
expressed in two things. Justice and mercy. Justice and mercy. When
Christ died on the cross He was suffering the justice of God’s law on
behalf of sinners. Right? And technically there was no resurrection for
him because she says that the death of the sinner, that is the death He
died on the cross that we might receive his life, she says, the death of
the sinner is an everlasting death from which there is no hope of a
resurrection. That’s what she says. That’s the death of the sinner. And
that is the death that every sinner is going to die unless he gets the
substitute life from Christ. Now Christ died that death in place of the
sinner who was going to get the substitute life. Do you understand? But
Christ came forth from the tomb, why? Because of the other aspects of
God’s character which is his glory. God’s character is love but it’s
manifested in two things; justice and mercy blended together and it was
the mercy of God and it was Jesus’ understanding of that mercy that
enabled him to tell the disciples, “I will rise again the third day.”
It was the mercy of God that brought him back. God’s law cannot be
broken and God’s law is that if you give your life for his sake what do
(John) Eternal life.
(Wilfred) Right. That’s the principle, that’s in the Bible. Whosoever
will save his life shall loose it but whosoever loses his life for my
sake. It isn’t that you jump over a cliff. That‘s not what it says. You
loose your life for his sake… What did Jesus loose his life for?
(Same woman) For our sake.
(Wilfred) For our sake yes and also for?
(John) The Father’s sake.
(Wilfred) The Father’s sake. How come? Can you explain that?
(John) Yes because the Father was on trial.
(Wilfred) What was the problem?
(John) Lucifer had accused him of being selfish when that wasn’t his
character at all.
(Wilfred) Accused him in other words of not living his own law or not
being his own law.
(John) It was Christ that demonstrated what the character of the Father
(Wilfred) That is right! That is right. And Christ gave his life
proving thereby that God was willing to give his life
(John) In the person of his Son.
(Wilfred) In the person of his Son. And I’ve explained why the Father
couldn’t give his life as a Father. Remember that? Why not?
(John) The universe would stop functioning.
(Wilfred) Yes, the universe wouldn’t exist. It’s dependent on the
Father. So the best that God could give was his Son and He turned all
things into the hands of his Son. That’s what it says. All the
treasures of the universe were given over to Jesus that He might use
those to convince the world that there is no love greater than the love
of God. I am just about quoting from the Spirit of Prophecy.
the passage here if anybody wants it. And Christ used those gifts, God
gave them all to Christ. Christ had control of the total universe.
Don’t you understand? God gave it to Him; He was the King of kings and
the Lord of lords. His word was law and Christ gave everything that He
had received from the Father in the terms of the Everlasting Covenant
He laid it all on the altar and He gave his life as well. Not just his
human life He gave his eternal life but it didn’t die. It is the life
whereby you are going to get eternal life He is going to give it to
you. The fact is you get it the moment you accept Christ. That’s what
the Bible says.
If you believe, it says you’re going to get eternal life. No? What does
it say? You have eternal life. You are going to go to sleep but you
still have eternal life.
(John) Just as Jesus had faith in the mercy of his Father to bring Him
forth from the tomb so we must have that same faith or confidence in
the mercy of God as Jesus had.
(Wilfred) In self-sacrifice. We will, if we are going to go through, will be
brought to a point where we will lay down our life for his sake. But we
won’t die. Those who remain will not go through the tomb. Most of us
will but there will be one hundred and forty four thousand who won’t.
And Jesus would not have had to do that either if it hadn’t been for the
Well we are getting a little afield here.
(Larry) This document here I don’t question it I just would like to
have the documentation on it that God the Father is indeed the
sustainer of the universe. This power has never been transmitted to
Christ. Because Christ created the world in John 1:1 to 30. In this
creation the power of creation was given to Christ by Him all things
were created. At the time of his creative power do we have any
knowledge that He was not right while He was given the power to sustain
the light? Did that remain with the Father not that this is an
important point it’s one that we had discussed once upon a time in a
Sabbath school discussion and I could never come up with anything
(Wilfred) I am afraid I can’t at the moment either. I am a little dull
(John) Yes, you’re talking about Jesus himself?
(Larry) No. The question I’m raising is we made the statement here
just a few minutes ago that the Father could not give his life because
He indeed is the sustainer of the universe. Now, I’m just wondering if
we could document that rather than accepting the concept that since the
Father gave all things to the Son and the Son indeed was the creator,
by him was all things made and without him was anything made that was
made therefore if He had the power to create why didn’t He also get at
the same time the power to sustain?
(Wilfred) I think there is documentation but I would have to, I’ll try
to find it for you.
(Larry) I was never able to find anything on it….
(John) It says in the Spirit
of Prophecy that heartbeat doesn’t
follow heart beat just because it’s a natural thing. In Ministry of
Healing time after time she points to the fact that God is the
sustainer of all life and there….
(Larry) Is this the Father?
(John) Yes. It doesn’t grow by any inherent power that’s in itself. It
grows by the power of God it says.
(Larry) Does it say the Father? Or was the power of creation within the
Son to sustain, I don’t know if this is significant it’s just a point
that came up.
(Wilfred) It has to do with the trinity it’s not an easy thing to
handle. I have some thoughts on it and I’m sure that there is some
documentation. If you remind me of it in case I don’t give it to you,
you’ll know I have forgotten. But I will try to find it for you.
(Another man) Jesus gave up his eternal life, hey? Did God the Father
give it back to Him? I think we did get away from that point.
(Wilfred) Yes we did get away from it. I was trying to come to it
again. Trying to come to it again here in just a moment. And if I
don’t, remind me again. I appreciate being reminded of something I
promised and don’t follow up because sometimes I get off the track.
Now would you go to Romans
8 verse 9 will give us the background. 9 "But ye are not in the flesh,
but in the Spirit,” Do you notice a
capital letter on that Spirit? We are not in the flesh but in the
Spirit. What have we attained here?
(Another man) Christ’s Spirit.
(Wilfred) Christ’s Spirit right. “If so be that the Spirit of God
dwell in you.” Now Christ’s Spirit is who’s Spirit? The Spirit of
God. Where did Christ get his eternal Spirit of life from?
(Several voices) From the Father.
(Wilfred) How do you know that?
(John) The Father has given the Son to have life in himself.
(Wilfred) As the Father has life in himself so hath He given the Son to
have life in himself. So in The
Story of Redemption you’ll find in the
first chapter where God made sure that the angels understood that. He
called a council and He honored the Son and He made it clear that the
Son was on equality with himself. And that every word of the Son was as
the word of the Father and every command of the Son was as the command
of the Father and they were to accept it as such. Now this was the
position of the Son of God, Christ, He was from eternity with the
everlasting Father. And I don’t understand the totality of the Godhead
so don’t ask me to explain the mystery. He was the Son of God and He
received his eternal life from God that much I know because the Bible
says it. I also know that He was from eternity with the Father and my
mind can’t stretch into that because I don’t know what eternity is yet,
if we’ll ever know. I have some ideas and I think some people who have
lived on this earth are going to experience something that will help
them understand what it is. Because God is going to lead his people
into how much truth?
(John) All truth.
(Wilfred) But not everybody will understand all truth. How many people
is it going to take to make up the constituent parts of the original
body of Christ?
(Another man) One hundred and forty four thousand.
(Wilfred) One hundred and forty four thousand and each one will be a
part of the body of Christ. The apostle Paul describes that very
(Same woman) What are you saying when you say not everybody will
understand the truth?
(Wilfred) Well do we?
(Same woman) No, but……
(Wilfred) Suppose we made a universal test of truth and gave it to
everybody in this room every paper would be different. Some would
understand one thing others would understand other things.
(Same woman) We all would understand parts.
(Wilfred) We all would understand parts. But the
unification of all
things takes place in the mind of Christ. You see, He is connected to
all parts of the body just like I’m connected to all parts of my body
and it is in my mind that everything that goes on in my body is
coordinated. My right hand may not know what my left hand does as the
Bible said. But my mind does, because that’s where it all registers.
And the body that Christ gave up before He came to this world and took
on the human body, we know what happened to that now. We looked at the
Communion Service and we looked at John chapter 6 and got the
And we looked over there in the New Testament where Paul talks about
the body of Christ how that each one is a member in particular and how
that body is going to be united with the head. He talks about how the
head is the husband of the family and how that the husband should love
the wife and so on. This is in Ephesians chapter 4 and he
twain should be one flesh. Now he says, that’s a mystery. How is a
husband and wife going to be one flesh? But he says, I’m speaking
concerning Christ and his church.
And in Early Writings
you’ll find that before the close of probation
after the perfection of God’s people when the body of Christ has been
reconstructed in a hundred and forty four thousand human temples there
will be a marriage union between Christ and his bride and the
unification will take place. And that’s why he made this statement at
the last supper, He says; I’ll not again partake of this; talking about
his body and blood, until I partake of it anew with you in the Kingdom.
And if you read in that very same paragraph in Early Writings I think
it’s page 280 you’ll find that the establishment of the Kingdom has
taken place and the marriage has taken place, the two go together. When
the marriage occurs the Kingdom is restored and made up. And it is at
that point that Christ will again partake with them and I can’t go much
further than that because it would lead us into what constitutes the
body and blood of Christ and that is something I don’t have enough
understanding of at the present time because I did not live back there
in my present consciousness to know what it’s all about.
What kind of a body did Christ have anyway? Moses saw it; part of it,
and it was so brilliant that he didn’t get much out of it except a
(John) His face was so brilliant with energy that he had to clothe it
lest the children of Israel would die.
(Wilfred) That’s right. He veiled his face when he talked to them and
it gradually dissipated. But the thing is the body of Christ and the
mind of that Christ contained all power and all knowledge and all
wisdom and all record of truth that ever occurred. When He was in that
cradle in Bethlehem He didn’t have all that. When He was on the streets
of Galilee, streets, roads, trails, He didn’t have it. He could have
tapped into it but no way could the enormity of the divine body of
Christ be duplicated in a human body with twelve billion brain cells,
no way. It’s going to take a hundred and forty four thousand twelve
billion brain cells and maybe more than that because we are going to be
changed and our minds are going to expand in order to encompass that.
Well we got off a little bit again didn’t we?
(John) Could I just read a statement on this? Review and Herald October
16, 1894; “Let us bear in mind that Christ is the great central heart
from which the lifeblood flows to every part of the great body of
humanity. He is the head from which extend the nerves that reach even
to the most minute and most remote parts of the body."
(Wilfred) Now how far did we read here? Ye are not in the flesh but in
the sprit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. So then the
Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The
Holy Spirit is also the soul of the life of Christ. So the trinity is
tied up together, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
There’s something in that too but I am not going to comment on it. The
Spirit is life because of righteousness. Righteousness and life are the
essence of God. That’s about as close as we can come to interpreting
God I guess as far as his existence goes. Now listen verse 11 “But if
the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead” Who was that?
You see here how that it’s sort of ambiguous. It talks about being in
the Spirit and the Spirit of God dwelling in you and the Spirit of
Christ. You see that in verse nine? Three times the Spirit is
1. You’re not in the flesh but in the Spirit,
2. If so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
3. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.
Do you see that? It’s tied together, the Spirit of God and the Spirit
of Christ. Now it says; “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus
from the dead dwell in you.” What Spirit raised up Jesus from the dead?
The Spirit of God but whose spirit was it also? The Spirit of Christ.
So the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are in some ways
identified. Now was it the Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the
dead or was it the Spirit of Christ that raised him from the dead?
(John) It is the one and the self same Spirit.
(Wilfred) All right, now we are coming to it. You see the Bible says
clearly that it was God that raised Jesus from the dead and yet the
Spirit of Prophecy says that He came forth by a power of life
inherent in himself and how are you going to reconcile those two? Well,
here is the reconciliation right there. The power of Christ in his
divinity was in fact the power of the Spirit of God and it was that
power that raised Him from the dead. It was God’s Spirit it was
Christ’s Spirit. Now it says if that dwell in you, do you realize that
the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ can dwell in you as it
dwelled in Him and I hope you realize that if it hadn’t been for his
sacrifice on the cross it could not have happened. Yes you have a
measure of the Spirit of God, a measure, but not the more abundant
measure. The more abundant outpouring that is essential for your
salvation after sin. There was no way to salvation except through the
sacrifice of Christ to make available the more abundant outpouring of
the Spirit. If that is in you then “He that raised up Christ from
the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that
dwelleth in you.” Now when it says; “He that raised up Christ from
the dead will quicken you by his Spirit, who’s the “He” referring to?
(Another man) God the Father.
(Wilfred) God the Father.
(Same woman) I have cross-referenced where it says “the Spirit of him
who raised up Jesus from the dead” with Acts 2:24 which says, “Whom God
has raised up”.
(Wilfred) Yes, that’s good because I have more texts. I didn’t have
that particular one but there are quite a few in the New Testament I’ll
just give you maybe a couple here or so. I Corinthians 15:15 “Yea,
we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead
rise not.” What’s Paul complaining about here? You didn’t get it,
right? He says we are found false witnesses because we have testified
God that He raised up Christ. What was Paul’s message? Wherever he went
to the Jews he said, “You killed Him but God has raised Him up” that
was his message. You can read it; it’s all through Paul’s writings.
Because he preached this Paul was criticized as being a false witness.
That’s what he is saying. And he says if Christ wasn’t raised then the
dead aren’t going to rise. You’re gone too. He said if there is no
resurrection, if the dead rise not then is Christ not raised. And if
Christ be not raised your faith is vain ye are yet in your sins. Then
they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are what?
(Wilfred) Right. So if it hadn’t been for that they would perish.
That’s our only hope. Now Colossians
2:12 “Buried with him in baptism,
wherein also ye are risen with him through faith of the operation of
God, who hath raised him from the dead.” Who raised Him from the dead?
(Several voices) God.
(Wilfred) God. I
Thessalonians 1:10 “And to wait for his Son from
heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us
from the wrath to come.” Go back to verse 9 and you will see whom he is
talking about. ….”How ye turned to God from idols to serve the
living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son” …. So who is the ‘God’
talking about the Father or the Son?
(John) The Father.
(Wilfred) The Father, it must be because it says “And to wait for his
Son.” The “his Son”, “his’ refers to God the Father “From heaven,
whom he raised” That is the Father raised the Son. Isn’t that
clear? Should be.
Now I Peter 1:21,
this has been Paul giving us all this, what does
Peter have to say about it? Does he agree with Paul? I Peter 1:21 “Who
by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave
him glory;” Where did Christ get his glory from?
(Another man) From God the Father.
(Wilfred) From God the Father. Well I wonder if that isn’t enough
texts? Now can I just crystallize it?
Christ in his humanity was a combination of divinity and humanity He
had the divine nature and it was through his divine nature that He was
able to live without sin. So we see He had an advantage over us. Yes He
had an advantage over us up to a point. But when we accept Christ then
the provisions of the Covenant that He made available through his
sacrifice, He had to die, He had to shed his blood to ratify that
Covenant. Those provisions of that Covenant become ours; it’s in our
favor. And we may then partake of the divine nature even as He had it.
Don’t you remember I read you here? I think it was John that called our
attention to the statement when I couldn’t just spot it. That He took
his life again at His resurrection so that He might give it to us.
Remember that? Now we then may partake of the divine life as He had it
and in partaking of that we become a combination of divinity and
humanity also. He is our example we follow after. Christ’s Object
Lessons is very clear in telling us that when we have that combination
of divinity and humanity we too can live in perfect obedience to God’s
law as Jesus did.
Revelation 3 the
message to the Laodicean church says; To him that
over-cometh even as I also overcame. That’s the point I wanted.
In the same way that Jesus overcame the Laodiceans in the last
generation of this world's history, that is now, may also overcome in
that same manner, do you see? The promise to those people is given
there in the Laodicean message and it would not be given if it weren’t
possible. And there are several places in the Spirit of Prophecy
it definitely says it is possible, as a matter of fact that is what
Jesus is waiting for before He can come, not until it happens will He
come, and that is what is delaying the coming of the Lord.
(John) It says on page 24 of The
Desire of Ages; “He exercised in His
own behalf no power that is not freely offered to us. ... His life
testifies that it is possible for us also to obey the law of God.”
(Wilfred) Right, Excellent. Now He had to die for man in his
humanity, having the ability to tap into his divinity and at any time
to return to his Father and be reinstated with the fullness of his
former glory and power. in Gethsemane He made the decision to stave off
that temptation and accept humanity in itself and take the penalty of
eternal death. His only hope of a resurrection up until that time was
in the mercy of his Father at this point there was no hope of a
resurrection. He suffered the eternal death of the sinner. Do you get
it? It’s in the books.
At this point when He was on the cross and cried out “My God, My God,
why have thou forsaken Me?” There was no hope. He was dying the eternal
death. He was experiencing the same thing that every sinner is going to
experience at the end of the thousand years who haven’t accepted the
forgiveness of Christ. That’s the end, that’s it. He gave the whole
thing. And she says that He was sustained only by the habit of trusting
God that He had built up. That’s character incidentally. He was
sustained by his habitual faith in his Father. There was no other way
and He commended his spirit into the hand of the Father. Those were his
last words wasn’t it, weren’t they? Father into thy hands I commend my
spirit. He stuck it out.
So when He went to the tomb there was no thought that in a day and a
half I’m going to call myself out of the tomb. To whom had He commended
(Several voices) To the Father.
(Wilfred) To the Father. Who was going to have to call him from the
tomb if He was ever going to get out?
(Several voices) The Father.
(Wilfred) I read that to you didn’t I? So it was the Father that raised
him from the dead.
All right now let’s clear this other point. How then did He come
forth by a power inherent in himself? Some of you aren’t going to
understand this because you haven’t been with us when we explained this
eternal sacrifice of Christ. But you’ll have to just sort of accept
what you can of it at face value and if it can’t make sense to you then
stick away in the storehouse until such time as you can deal with it a
little more thoroughly.
The eternal life of Christ, the Holy Spirit, which was the soul of the
life of Christ, Now how am I going to say this without you
contradicting me, went into the possession of the Father, under the
jurisdiction of the Father. And Jesus told his disciples whatsoever He
heareth, talking about the Spirit, that shall He do. The divinity of
Christ, the divine nature of Christ that was his spirit was the Holy
Spirit. Am I right or am I wrong. I read you that, I don’t have it with
Now look I think I can help you to understand a little bit of that, I
don’t want to leave you clear or cold those of you who are new to us
here. I’ll read a little bit of it from John 14. At least you’ll
that we are not imagining things here. John chapter 14 verse 15.
love me, keep my commandments. 16 “And” Then “I will pray the
Father,” And I just have to put this little plug in here. What’s the
condition that Jesus places his intercession on
your behalf on?
(Another man) Keeping the commandments.
(Wilfred) And it goes beyond that.
(John) And you are loving Him.
(Wilfred) Yes, the love has to get in there and if you love him He
says; keep the commandments and if you do that then He says; 16 ”I will
pray the Father and He shall give you another comforter that He may
abide with you forever.” Do you know what the comforter is? It says
it over in verse 26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom
the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and
bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
Note that; Whatever Jesus said to these people the Holy Ghost was going
to bring to the remembrance of the disciples. So where were the words
of Jesus recorded? In the mind of the Holy Ghost. Now it says here, “He shall abide with you, how long?
(Wilfred) How long then is the Holy Ghost going to be given to God’s
(Wilfred) Forever. How long are they going to get eternal life?
(Wilfred) Forever. Through what agency does that eternal life come? Can
you go that far yet?
(Ted) Through the Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) Do you have any proof of that? I have it, but I was wondering
whether you remembered any of it. I don’t have it with me. But the Holy
Spirit is the life of Christ and the Holy Spirit brings the life of
Christ. Let’s go a little further, I think you’ll see a little more of
it here. …. “That he may abide with you for ever. 17 Even the Spirit of
truth” …. Now that is another name for the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit
has multiple aspects about it. Sometimes it's called “it” sometimes
it’s called “He”, the Holy Spirit is a personality. But it is also a
power and it is a spirit in the sense that we have the spirit of love,
right? Love is not a person, love is a spirit, the Holy Spirit is love
and it brings to you love when it comes to you, Romans 5:5. The Bible
says God is a spirit, doesn’t it? And it says, God is love, then God is
the spirit of love. So you see it has many aspects and you mustn’t tie
yourself into one concept of the Holy Spirit you've got to keep a broad
open mind on it. …. “Whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth
him not, neither knoweth him;” …. So the Holy Spirit then is a
personality that is mystical in the sense that you cannot see it. ….
“But ye know him” …. You can know it but not see it. How do you know
him? …. “For he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”
(The end of C/D #41 and the beginning of C/D #42)
Now look; 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” Do
you get the connection? He says the spirit is going to come, I’m
going to pray the Father and He’ll send the Spirit then in the next
breathe He says; I will come to you. Did Jesus come to them or did He
stay in heaven?
(Another man) Stayed in heaven.
(Wilfred) Then what came to them?
(John) The Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) Now the Spirit of
Prophecy is very clear in pointing out that
Christ in you means, The Holy Spirit in you. In other words the Holy
Spirit is that aspect of the personality of Christ and the power of
Christ and all the other aspects of the Holy Spirit. It is that divine
nature of Christ; the Holy Spirit is the divine nature of Christ. It is
‘the’ Christ that comes to you, to dwell in you. It is the power of
Christ, it is the power of God, it is the power of Jesus’ life in
(Same woman) Does everybody on this earth have a portion of the Holy
Spirit or just those who ask for it?
(Wilfred) At sometime or other they do. Because if it weren’t for the
Spirit drawing people in the first place they would never get on the
track. They have alienated themselves from God. But because of the
sacrifice of Christ, and this is what I am trying to drive at, the
divine nature of Christ, that part of Christ which was his divinity,
including his life in himself became available to man and it was that
power, it was that soul of Christ, it was that Spirit of Christ which
is the Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the tomb. I wonder how many
It wasn’t the life that was in that dead body that raised Jesus from
the tomb there was no life in it. The ghost of humanity had gone back
to God who gave it just like ours goes. He gave up the ghost my Bible
says. It was gone, it was not in his body. Also the divine Spirit of
life was gone but it was through that divine Spirit of life that God
the Father, under the instructions of the Son in the Everlasting
Covenant which agreement was made before He died, his last will and
testament. The Father was the administrator of that last will and
testament of Christ which when Christ now lay in the tomb, dead as a
doornail, the Father took that former life of Christ and through that
agency, that power which belonged to Christ He raised Jesus from the
dead. Do you get it?
(John) So both statements are true.
(Wilfred) Both statements are true. And it is that same power that is
going to raise you from the tomb. Do you want me to read it? John
chapter 6. This is a wonderful book my dear Christian friends this is a
wonderful book and there are so many things in it that we have not yet
seen that it is amazing that the Lord can put it in here and have it in
here over all those years and we haven’t seen it. But as we’ve said
before we cannot see anything in this book until the Spirit of God
enlightens us. So we are indebted to that very same Spirit of truth
that He’s going to pray the Father and he will send it to us. And don’t
forget there is a big outpouring coming on God’s people in these last
days. And it’s beginning now it’s trickling down and it’s going to be
showery pretty soon and pretty soon it will be a downpour.
Look at what he says here about verses 53 “Then Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of
man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” All right, where
is the life of the Son of God contained?
(Another man) In the blood and the flesh.
(Wilfred) Which blood and flesh?
(Same man) His.
(Wilfred) Yes, He’s still got it. He’s living in it. The blood he shed
at Calvary went into the ground.
(John) The divine life.
(Wilfred) Good for you. This is referring to his original body, don’t
you understand? This isn’t his physical body he’s still living in that
and the physical blood He shed. This is the body and the blood,
whatever that blood is and the
Spirit of Prophecy tells us what it is
and the Bible does. The Bible tells us, what is it in the blood?
(John) The life.
(Wilfred) The life. So He’s really saying here his body and his eternal
life that was in that body that made it an eternal living creature. Do
you understand? That’s what he’s talking about. And the communion
service, he explained that, He said you’ve got to eat this and drink it
and He wasn’t talking about his physical flesh and his physical blood.
(John) That’s what the Catholics teach that we eat the physical flesh
and the physical blood of the human Christ.
(Wilfred) All right. Now if we do eat this flesh and do drink this
blood what do we have?
(Same woman) Eternal life.
(Wilfred) Eternal life. So the source of our life is in the blood of
Christ. In the blood of Christ, that’s where it is. His eternal
lifeblood. That is the life that we’re going to get. How do I know? I
just read it. You have to eat it and you have to drink it. And the
other text I read, chapter 14, the life comes by the Spirit. I could
show you that but I don’t have those texts with me tonight and I can’t
just recall them, at least their location, but the context I have and
I’m giving it to you.
The life comes through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit
of the life of Christ. It is, if you want the plain truth, the blood of
Now if you take that key you can now understand many passages that are
given where it says you are washed in the blood of the Lamb. Did you
ever understand that before? Do you understand how you are washed in
the blood of the Lamb? Well the Bible talks about a washing of
regeneration. And what is the regenerating agent?
(John) The Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) The Holy Spirit. You are washed in the life of Christ by the
agency of the Holy Spirit. It is by the sprinkling of blood that the
sanctuary is cleansed.
(John) And the true sanctuary is us.
(Wilfred) And the true sanctuary is us and the sins have been recorded
here and they are going to be erased and cleansed. By what?
(John) By the Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) The Spirit of
Prophecy is very clear on that, it’s very clear,
the expulsion of sin from the life is an act of the soul itself. You
make the decision but the power that enables you to do it is the Holy
Spirit. Now we’ve gone over all this but I am just repeating it briefly
for the sake of those who haven’t been with us so that you can kind of get
the picture. I know I’m giving you a heavy dose tonight I hope you
don’t get spiritual indigestion.
Let’s read on “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink
his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and
drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the
last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood,” Look! What does
it say? “Dwelleth in me, and I in him” Can you refer that back to
John 14 which I just
read where He comes to dwell with you and in you?
Do you see? It’s tied together.
Well, I could spend more time on that but I think I’ve read you enough
there so that you can see that the eating of the flesh and drinking of
the blood is tied in with the resurrection of everybody.
Now, there is another interpretation of the flesh and the blood of
Christ and I really don’t have time to go into that in detail. John
chapter 1 talks about; 1 In the beginning was the Word. And the Word
was with God and the Word was God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us,” Now Christ is identified with the Word of God. In
Revelation you’ll find it too; “His name is the Word of God.”
Christ was the out-speaking of God, not only by word of mouth but by
life. Every word that Christ spoke came from his brain, so in his brain
is a record of every word He spoke. Are you following me? In the brain
of Christ in that great body that He was in before He came to this
world, in that brain was recorded every word that God ever spoke
through Christ, right? Every action that was ever preformed, the
creation of all things, the whole bit was in that brain. Do you get it?
He was the Word of God. Everything that had ever happened was recorded
in that brain; therefore He had the record of all truth in that brain.
Therefore He was the truth, not only in the sense that He told the
truth, He was the truth because his brain contained the record of
everything that had ever happened and everything that had ever happened
was true, it couldn’t be false. If it happened it was true so He was
the truth. Don’t you get it? Now that is also termed the body of
Christ, his word, this is the body of Christ. But that is in a more
minor sense. I shouldn’t really say minor because out of this book when
the Spirit of God is given to enlighten our minds all truth is in here
and that’s a mystery, I can’t explain that.
(Same woman) How much of that did Christ get into his mind?
(Wilfred) You mean when He was on earth?
(Same woman) Yes, a human, yes.
(Wilfred) I cannot answer you that but it was a sure thing that it was
not all in the there at one time.
(John) He learned the scriptures as a human being just as we must.
(John) And He was mighty in the scriptures at the age of twelve but his
mother had taught Him on her knee.
(Ted) Brother Johnson, these verses that we had just being reading in
John 6; the disciples
murmured about that and said that they were hard
to understand, so Jesus went on to explain it just the way you have. In
verse 63 “It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth
nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are
(Wilfred) Thank you Ted, thank you very much. I’m not sharp tonight I
miss these things. That’s good. I can assure you that when I make a
statement, unless I qualify it, if I make a statement it is to the best
of my ability based on things that I have studied and have read and
have substantiation for. But I am fallible and not infallible and
there may be an occasion when I make a statement that the evidence that
I have for it has become a little hazy and the statement is just not
quite accurate. And if you ever find something that contradicts
anything that we have said, discussed or brought to you I wish that you
would bring it in because there is nobody more interested in getting
the truth than I am. And my mind is not closed, I don’t know
everything, when I think back on how little I knew when I first turned
my life over to the Lord and what I know now it’s fantastic. But what
little bit I do know, I mean what I know is just a little bit compared
to what there is to know.
(John) Here’s just another text on what you said. You talked about the
blood of Christ in Revelation
1: 5 it says, “Unto him that loved us,
and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” Now it isn’t the
physical blood that was his in his humanity that was poured out at the
bottom of the foot of the cross that washes us of our sins. It’s the
Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit that ties in with what you have been
(Wilfred) It’s the life, the life, the Spirit of life and the life is
in the Word she tells us that. And we are sanctified by the truth. So
as we study the Word, as we feed upon this Word see we are feeding upon
the body of Christ. And she says the spirit is in the Word that is; in
this word there is a spirit that gives it life. But when she says that
she is speaking figuratively it’s not physically in the book. It is
actually in the mind of the person who is reading the book because some
minds can read the book and get nothing, or get the wrong concepts.
Other minds can read the book and get the right concepts because they
have the Spirit of truth. But God had promised the Spirit of truth to
anybody who reads this with an open mind and a heart that is humble and
inclined to obedience. And you will get the truth. He may permit you to
get into error for a while to teach you some lessons that you may need
to learn. Maybe you’ve got some pride or something He wants to knock
out of you. And you have to come back and swallow mistakes that you
have made and said, I think we all have had a turn at that at some time or
other in our experience. And there are people who find it too
humiliating to admit that they have made a mistake and so they just go
on in their pride and go from bad to worse.
(Same woman) It’s really discouraging isn’t it that after we receive
the Holy Spirit we are still sinners.
(Wilfred) It is. We don’t receive the Holy Spirit without measure at
one time. We receive only a measure and we receive the measure that we
are capable of handling. You can’t use the Spirit so we have to be
cautious there. It isn’t that we use the Spirit but God gives us the
Spirit and when He gives it to us it is a commodity that we have as
ours to use. I am contradicting myself I know that. God has given me
the spirit of life that makes me conscience and He has given me a
freedom of choice, He’s given me a body, now He doesn’t dictate to me
every second of my life and inhibit me and restrict me as to how I
choose and what I do. He gives me these qualities and these abilities
and He says Johnson, use them, and I make decisions and I use my
powers. Now God gives an additional power of the Spirit and you have
the privilege of making a decision to use that gift. When the Spirit
comes it gives you gifts. And God doesn’t just give you the gift second
by second, He gives you the gift period. If you have the gift of
prophecy, you have the gift of prophecy, and you can use it correctly
or falsely. If He gives you the gift of teaching you have it and you can
use the gift to his glory or not as you please. But there comes a day
of reckoning and if you persist in using the gifts of the Spirit in an
unholy and unsanctified way there comes a day when you will lose those
talents. Now how did I get on to that? There was a conclusion I wanted to
(John) About we just receive the Holy Spirit by measure.
(Wilfred) We just receive the Holy Spirit by measure and if we use it
correctly and I’m using it in a sense that we direct our decisions in
favor of God and the Spirit power is available to us, that’s what I
mean. We can’t dictate to the Spirit.
(John) Sister White says in Thoughts
from the Mount of Blessing, page
142; “Were it possible to force upon you with a hundredfold greater
intensity the influence of the Spirit of God, it would not make you a
Christian, a fit subject for heaven. The stronghold of Satan would not
be broken. The will must be placed on the side of God's will.”
(Wilfred) That’s an excellent one.
(John) Then she goes on and says that you can’t even give your will to
God. She says; “You are not able, of yourself, to bring your purposes
and desires and inclinations into submission to the will of God; but if
you are "willing to be made willing," God will accomplish the work for
you, even "casting down imaginations, and every high thing that
exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into
captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
(Ted) Brother Johnson, are you finished with your line of...
(Wilfred) Yes, come on with your question.
(Ted) I’m new here as you know and I may be way behind, I would like
you to follow my line of reasoning at the present time. I have been
studying about Christ’s life and one of the things that was shown to me
was that when Christ was born, he was a baby, a child, a boy, when He
grew He was a boy, is it or I’m I correct in your thinking that Jesus
was given the Holy Spirit at a time?
(Wilfred) He was given it by measure the same as we are excepting that
He was initiated by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost was his father so He
had something in his nature right from the start that we do not have
right from the start and this enabled Him to live without sin even
through his childhood.
(Ted) What I’m trying to do here is to join up the thought that you
have brought forth that I have been aware of in that we are capable of
(Wilfred) But we get the Spirit by measure. The new birth.
(Ted) Right, that’s exactly what I am getting to. When Jesus went to
John the Baptist and was baptized He said; thus we should do because
that is what we should do. At that time the Holy Spirit came down and
landed upon Him, now would you say that at that time He had fulfilled
the requirements of God the Father of his own person so God the Father
could give Him the full measure of the Holy Spirit? That’s what I was
working towards. So in the same way when we are baptized we are
baptized into, shall we say, partial revelation of the Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) We’re just born again.
(Ted) Right and we have got to grow. And then we have the capability of
doing as Christ did in growing to the point where God can say; you are
ready for the entire strength of the Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) That’s what comes in the latter rain.
(Ted) Next question. The disciples, He told them to go and wait until
the Holy Spirit comes before they go out. Would you say that this was
like another baptism where they received the Holy Ghost because they
have been growing to the point to where now they could receive the
entire Holy Ghost?
(Wilfred) Yes, but only up to a point. They receive the Holy Ghost in
what is termed the former rain and the total cleansing of the sanctuary
does not occur until the Day of Atonement and that did not start
antitypically until 1844, and it is not until the latter rain comes
that the total perfection of God’s people will take place. She is quite
clear on explaining that.
(Ted) Ok, that settled my question. That’s what I was trying to get
(Wilfred) Now about that baptism of Jesus just while you are on it and
for the benefit for everyone else too. We might just mention that Jesus
did not need to be baptized of John. John was correct when he said He
didn’t need to be. And Jesus also went through the steps of repentance
before baptism. But He didn’t need to do that. She explains that He did
that as our example. “For thus it becometh” Jesus said. “Us
to fulfill all righteousness.” So that we would have a pattern to
follow. If we would follow those steps He will fulfill his part.
(Ted) By doing that did He not in that way give God what He needed in
order to say; Now I can give you the entire Holy Spirit? This is
something that has come to me in that Jesus did it. John the Baptist
said He didn’t have to do it. True He didn’t have to we can realize
that He didn’t have to but the very fact that He did, God gave Him the
entire Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) Well there is another phase in Jesus’ life that very passage
which talks about that anointing says right there that He, ahhh, or
does it say, maybe it’s someplace else, I’ll have to check it, but at
that point He became the Messiah.
(Ted) Yes, correct.
(Wilfred) At that point He was able to tap into his former power. It
was clearly opened and that’s why the devil put him into the
wilderness. Well actually the devil didn’t, God did to be tempted
because He had to prove that He was not going to use that power on his
own behalf. And the devil pulled Him on three points. Every last one of
them was a temptation to test whether He had the divine power or not.
Because prior to that He didn’t have it, He didn’t have it as a boy. He
couldn’t turn those marbles to bread that He was playing with the other
kids in Nazareth with. They were marbles and they would always be
When He went into the wilderness after his anointing those stones could
turn to bread just by a thought on the part of Christ. And all through
his life He had to face that temptation.
(Ted) Lets go a little further. He received the Holy Ghost at his
passion. He returned the Holy Ghost to God, Right?
(Wilfred) Yes, He yielded it up.
(Ted) And then when He was resurrected He received it back or as we
said, part and parcel.
(Wilfred) I’d better not get on to that one because it would take too
long but it does say He would not again partake of it until He partook
of it anew with us. He took it again see, by title, and He had the
right to say to the Father; Now Father there’s Wilf Johnson down there
I want you to send my Spirit to him. He is interceding for me. He says,
Wilf Johnson has confessed his sins and I am forgiving him will you
forgive him according to the terms of our agreement, our covenant? You
forgive him and you’re supposed to deliver my life to him. And He says,
I will pray the Father and He will send it. Do you get it? So He took
his life again to give to us. But He himself did not take it to
himself. Until He now becomes united with his body then his body will
sustain that eternal life through the whole thing. If my heart weren’t
functioning properly my head wouldn’t have any life, all my body has to
function in harmony with the head. And the new body of Christ, the
mystical body will not be complete until the marriage union has taken
place and that takes place now. The Lord is trying to build up the
members of his body right now to put them into this new temple that is
to be restored that was destroyed by sin.
3:12 “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the
temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:”
(Wilfred) That’s right. And that’s when the Spirit shall come and the
outpouring of the latter rain, that will complete the work, cleanse the
soul temple, we have a part to do first, but that will complete the job
and unite us with Christ in a mystical union where by our minds will be
so fused with his that we will be just thinking in harmony with Him all
of the time. When we do the things that He asks us to do it’s the very
things we want to do. When we do the things that we spontaneously
decide to do as though it were our own thinking we’re doing the things
that He wants us to do. We’re one united body in perfect harmony,
you’re not conscience of being a slave to his decisions you are an
independent individual functioning on your own initiative and will.
(Same woman) Which brings a problem, the hundred and forty four
thousand will make up the body of Christ and the marriage with them if
that happens, well, what about the rest of the people who go to heaven?
(Wilfred) They are a body of Christ in a different sense. In the sense
that we as a people now think of it and explain it that we are members
in a body like, well we have a governing body up in Edmonton in the
legislative buildings, they are our governing body, but they are not
(John) The church is looked on as a body.
(Wilfred) Yes, the church is a body in that sense. Do you understand?
But the hundred and forty four thousand is a different proposition
(Larry) They will go whithersoever the Lamb goeth.
(Wilfred) Right. They are the only ones that go through the same
experience that He went through to the ultimate, they sing a new song
of Moses and the lamb which no one can sing save he that receives it
she says. It is a song of their experience she says. They will follow
the Lamb whithersoever on this earth and in eternity. On this earth it
means they rise above sin.
(Same woman) Will those who receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit,
will they have the same type of accomplishments that Christ had on
earth, will they be tempted to see if they will use it for selfish
(Wilfred) That’s a very good question. That’s a very good question.
When God gives to a member of his body unconditional eternal life with
a freedom of choice, what do you think?
(John) I’m sure that they will have the same temptation in smaller
measure than Christ had.
(Wilfred) Nobody will have it to the same extent as He had.
(John) Even the disciples who had not received to the fullness of the
Spirit felt that they had that power, “Shall we call fire down from
heaven to destroy these people?” Do you remember that in the Bible?
(John) And Jesus said, greater works shall ye do than these that I have
(Larry) In one sense we will, that is if you take the same temptations
that Christ faced they were the same basic temptations that were before
all of us, pride of life, and appetite and we all are going to be
tempted on the point of appetite, we are told that that is the sin of
this age so we are all facing that temptation. And pride of life we all
have a certain amount of pride in us. And in essence the same principle
is involved and the temptations are going to be carried forth to each
of us and we shall be able to overcome them. But my thought was that,
He was tempted on all points but we are not to be temped on all points
but the basic principles which were involved in those temptations we
(Wilfred) I think that applies to Him too brother He was not temped on
all points the same as we are in the sense of a specific temptations.
(Larry) The major principle underlining...
(Wilfred) The principles, yes, there are some things He couldn’t have
been tempted in because of the very nature of the situation.
(John) But I think the point of this Sister’s question was; will the
hundred and forty four thousand reach the place before the close of
probation where in the chapter “Joshua and the Angel” they are declared
eternally secure. God has declared them righteous forever. He has
conferred upon them the fact that they are in. And when they are sealed
with the Holy Spirit and it is that divine Spirit that is going to take
them through the time of trouble because we know humanity could never
go through it without God. But the Spirit will be in them, but if they
chose to, now they will not choose to, but if they choose to they could
choose to use that power in a wrong way but they will not choose to do
it. Even as Jesus was tempted to use it in the wrong way as they spat
upon Him and said come down from off this cross if you are the Son of
God. And all through His life He had that temptation. And I think that
the hundred and forty four thousand will taste of this same experience.
They will recognize that God has entrusted to them that life of his Son
with which by a thought if they wanted to they could have erased their
enemies if that was what was in their hearts, but it is not in their
hearts to do and they will follow the example of Jesus all the way.
That’s why we’re told, I’m sure, to study the closing scenes of his life
because every peculiar temptation in principle that He was faced with
we are going to be faced with. The Gethsemane experience, all of these
things. The hundred and forty four thousand will go through.
(Larry) And at that time we could use that power in behalf of others.
Like Christ there in the garden when Peter cut off the high priest’s
servant’s ear Christ released himself from the grasp of the folks and
He healed the ear so at that time we might use that power.
(John) It says that in the chapter “The Final Morning” that’s the loud
cry, in the Great Controversy, remember? It says miracles will be
wrought, the sick will be healed, so I think that power will be used in
harmony with God’s will, but the hundred and forty four thousand will
not choose to use it out of harmony with God’s will. This is the way
that I see it. I don’t know if this is correct or not.
(Wilfred) May I add a little bit to that? It says that when Jesus
preformed the miracles on this earth they were preformed by the power
of God through the agency of the angels. Shall I repeat that? They were
preformed by the power of God through the agency of the angels. Who was
it that was doing this?
(Several voices) Unintelligible
(Wilfred) Who is holding this book? Who is talking to you?
(Ted) You are.
(Wilfred) I am. But by what power am I doing it? By the power that God
has given me as a human being. Right? Now who raised Lazarus from the
(Same woman) Jesus.
(Wilfred) No, He just stood outside.
(Same woman) The angel.
(Wilfred) That’s right, the angel did it. How did the angel do it? By
what power? The power of God. Now, Jesus told his disciples when He was
doing all these miracles, He said; Do you marvel at this? He said,
greater things than these shall ye do. Now how did Jesus do them?
Through the angels by the power of God. If we are going to do them how
are we going to do them? Through the angels and the power of God. How
does the devil do his miracles?
(Ted) Through his angels.
(Wilfred) Yes, a little further than that. Through human beings. He
takes possession of human beings and uses them, now I say He or his
angels. Don’t you see that it is the angel that functions and where did
those angels get their power from?
(Wilfred) God. It is the power of God that enables the devil to perform
a miracle. That’s how God when He gives you something He gives it to
you to use and He permits you to use it for good or evil until the day
(Same woman) Is that why...
(Wilfred) What did I say?
(Same woman) …God’s power through the devil. Would you say that again?
(Wilfred) Yes. I’ll say it again. The devil would have no power at all
were it not given to him from God. So that the power that the devil is
using to perform his miracles, and deception and all the rest of it is
the power that God endowed him with and has not taken away from him.
(John) He could if He wanted to.
(Wilfred) He could take it away yes. Why is the Lord leaving that power
with the devil to let the devil show by his own decisions and character
what kind of a ruler he would make if God had accepted him for what he
wanted. All things are done by the power of God. There is no power
apart from God. So Brother Dean, God will provide us with the power
necessary to perform the work for Him that needs to be done. But we can
misuse that power don’t you see?
(John) I want to bring out a statement that has verified something that
I have felt for a long time. I just ran across it in the Desire of Ages
143, and that is that even the Holy Spirit comes to
us through the agency of the angels. Now we’ve read the statement I’m
sure we’re all familiar with it that says; every blessing that comes to
us comes to us through the Holy Spirit.
(Wilfred) That’s right.
(John) Now listen to this statement. The angels of God are ever passing
from earth to heaven and heaven to earth. The miracles of Christ for
the afflicted and suffering were wrought by the power of God through
the ministration of the angels. And it is through Christ by the
ministration of his heavenly messengers that every blessing comes from
God to us.
(Wilfred) Every blessing
(John) But there’s another statement that says that the Holy Spirit
brings every other blessing in its train.
(Wilfred) Yes, but the statement you made before was that… Oh ….I’m
sorry go ahead.
(John) Well, if you connect those two statements together it appears
that the heavenly angels have a part in bringing that power of God, the
life of Christ, to us.
(Wilfred) You’ve got a point. You’ve got a point there, John. And the
angels have a part in the resurrection too. That’s in the Bible.
(John) We read it tonight where the angels say; Thy Father calls thee.
(Wilfred) God uses his created beings as “Front-men”. He gives them the
honor and privilege of making the calls and decisions but yet He is
doing the work in the background. That’s the way souls are saved.
God has given you the honor of going out to evangelize the world and
telling everybody about the plan of salvation. He could have sent the
angels to do it without you or He could have done it himself directly. But
He gives you that privilege.
(Ted) You might point back to the original covenant with the people,
the Jews, He gave it to them to do the job and they never did the job
so He raised up John to do the job.
(Wilfred) That’s right. And if we fail to do it, if we fail to do what
we’ve been calling for in the last umpteen meetings, if we fail to come
up to a total surrender to God so He can use us to complete His work of
salvation, if we fail He’ll call somebody else. His work isn’t going to
fail, we may, but His work isn’t.
(Ted) Do we have an assurance though that the work will be done by one
hundred and forty four thousand remnant people?
(Wilfred) We have read those statements before.
(John) It says that God has staked his very throne in regards to the
perfection of his people.
(Wilfred) Yes, but it also says; that it also identifies those who are
going to complete the work.
(Ted) The point being though that it is the remnant people, the Israel,
not a denomination of one type or another type.
(Wilfred) Oh, I see what you’re getting at. It is not a denomination
that is going to finish the work in the hearts of God’s people, Oh no.
But to the Adventist Church I see what you are getting at. To the
Adventist Church has been committed the proclamation of the three
angel’s messages and the sanctuary service, and these special
doctrines. But they are not exclusive in the other doctrines.
(Ted) They are not exclusive in the doctrines themselves are they?
Because for instance, the Sabbath truth has been brought to…
(Wilfred) That’s right. It’s not original with Seventh-day
Adventists. However this is the church that God has chosen to declare
these messages and to finish the work. Now if the church as a church
fails there is not going to be another church, we have been told that.
Our church is not Babylon and she also says that, but you have to take
this with a grain of salt that the church appears to be about to fall
but it won’t fall. And she also says that we don’t have to worry about
carrying the ship through, He is going to carry it through to the end
you know. But you have to be careful here as to terminology because
what applies to a certain group in one generation may not apply to the
same group in another generation.
The honor of God shifts, it will always shift to those who are faithful
to Him. It is possible for the Seventh-day Adventist church to deny its
privilege just like it was with the Jews. And she has given us many
warnings about this, many warnings. Who can say whether it will or
whether it won’t? We can have opinions. Now some people think that our
church has gone haywire and have thought like that for a long time.
That it is not God’s chosen people anymore. That God’s chosen people
are not in an organization. Some people think that! Now I can’t go
along with that personally, I just can’t because I see too many things
happening throughout our denomination that are right dead on. I think
God’s got everything under control.
But I was going to talk about that shaking tonight I guess I didn’t get
to it. There is coming a time when the work of the denomination will be
finished but the work in the hearts of God’s people may not. That is
God has people in the church and He has some out of it. And He has
tares in the church too and there are tares out of the church but the
sifting and separating is going to take place, it will take place.
And how long the organized church as an organization will survive
that’s a debatable question. I don’t think we need to worry about it
because it will take care of itself. We are asked to be loyal to God’s
church and by his grace I intend to be. I want to cooperate with my
Brothers and Sisters and I think I have already demonstrated to God
during the past thirty to thirty-five years that I am willing to do
that in spite of the fact that I have had some pretty marked
differences on some things. And Sister White had some marked
differences with the General Conference brethren in her day. And even
the fellows that came in 1888 to deliver the message of righteousness
by faith which she corroborated and said; these are messengers from
God. Those fellows both went out of the church but Mrs. White didn’t
she stay right by it.
(John) In spite of a lot of persecution she received and a lot of wrong
things that existed in the church she herself who was a prophetess
became subject to the brethren. And when they asked her to go to
Australia she went to Australia. And I think there is something there
for all of us that we need to be loyal to our church. And yet as we
study Ezekiel 9 which deals with the sealing and the shaking. It does
point out that as we near the close of time that there will be
abominations in the midst of Jerusalem.
(Wilfred) That’s right. The devil is going to work harder in our church
than any other church, there is no question about that. And he is doing
it. And at the time of the sealing the church is going to be filled
with abominations in the heart of the church. And the people who see
them try their best to straighten them out but they are fighting a
losing battle. So they end up sighing and crying for the abominations
that are done in the midst of the church. Sister White explains all
this, these are not my words. And the man with the writer’s inkhorn is
sent through the midst of the city which is the church to place a mark
in the foreheads of those that sigh and cry for the abominations that
are done in the city. Then the five other men who come from the higher
gate are sent forth after him with breaking in pieces weapons in their
hands. And they are to slay utterly and spare not everybody in
Jerusalem. That’s the church. Except those who have the mark, they
mustn’t come near those whom have the mark. Now this is a very, very,
significant passage and I don’t think that it has really been
recognized for what it means. If you take it for just what it says it
has some very strong implications. However as the things progress we
will recognize them happening and if we study the passages and put the
material on the shelf there in our minds, have it available, as the
thing develops we will recognize the fulfillment of prophecy.
(Ted) What are the references for this?
(Wilfred) It’s Ezekiel
chapter 9 and it’s in the
Spirit of Prophecy 5th
volume of the Testimonies
for the Church in the chapter “The seal of
God”, she deals with it and quotes the passages. The day is coming, we
might as well face it, when the work of our organization will be
finished and it will have no power to rule over the church. The church
will be a group or groups of people meeting in isolated places she
says, because of persecution. Now whether the church will fold up or
close off its work or however they want to say it, as a result of
economic pressures or whether they will be theological pressures or
whether they will be political pressures or persecution or what, or a
combination, that remains to be seen. But the fact is that sooner of
later it is going to happen and it is getting nearer every day. But the
important thing is not that, the important thing is the work in the
hearts of God’s people being finished. The church’s work is to spread
the gospel that’s what it was organized for. And when the gospel is
gone to all the world for a witness unto all nations then the end is
going to come. But the gospel going for a witness has a deeper meaning.
It isn’t that you just preach the gospel so that everybody hears it and
then the end's going to come that’s not it, that could have been done in
a months time. It’s what the gospel does that counts because the goal
of salvation is “Get rid of sin”. That’s what salvation means.
What are you saved from anyway?
(Wilfred) Sin. Most of us think only in terms of being saved from
hell-fire that’s what we’re thinking of, we want to get up to the
streets of gold. “Are you saved? Yes, I’m going to glory land” it’s the
self-centered principle that’s constantly at the top. The goal of the
plan of salvation is not being saved from eternal death and live in the
streets of gold alone, that’s God’s gift to man and He gives it to you
the moment you accept Jesus Christ so He leaves you free to decide
whether to serve Him or not. You can obey Him or not. And if you do
obey Him you are obeying Him from a motive of love, respect, and
appreciation, and that is another thing I thought to deal with tonight.
This business of “The Seal of God” and “The Mark of the Beast”.
Salvation from sin is your decision, you decide to quit. Adam decided
to sin and Adam’s ancestors are going to have to decide to quit sinning,
nobody else has the power. If the Lord took from you your freedom of
choice to get you out of sin you wouldn’t have sin anyway you wouldn’t
be guilty. If you don’t have any free choice you have no sin. You can’t
choose to do right or wrong if you haven’t got a choice, so God has to
leave you with a choice. And if you are ever going to get rid of sin
you choose not to sin and your motive is going to be respect and love
for God. But we’ve gone over all of that too.
(Another woman) Brother Johnson, the book of Zephaniah is...I guess
chapter two to repent before the decree. Well if this is a reference
for the future…
(Wilfred) The thing is closing in on us quite rapidly and those who are
going to be saved are going to have to come in pretty soon. But the
loud cry is still going to go yet, let’s not forget that. And we read
once who was going to give the loud cry message. The Lord is going to
finish the work through a certain group of people but I won’t read that
(John) In answer to her statement wouldn’t this necessarily be a
reference that there will come a time when it will be too late to
repent before the decree or the close of probation.
(Wilfred) That’s right.
(Ted) Is there not more to the work of our denomination then simply to
give the gospel because really if you think about giving the gospel to
all nations and kindred and tongues what it really entails is the
education of the people to do that.
(Wilfred) Sure thing.
(Ted) And that is where our church has its biggest job and hasn’t done
(Wilfred) Well I don’t know, it's been doing the best it can do under
the circumstances I think. And the job is really not just to give the
gospel as a lifeless theory. The thing is to explain the gospel; Paul
says the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to all that believe.
Our job is to explain the plan of salvation to people that’s our job
and by God’s grace I have been trying to do that with you folks.
(Another man) But to demonstrate it.
(Wilfred) Yes and that’s where we trip up isn’t it?
(John) She says that our words will only have the weight of power that
the life itself has as inasmuch as it lines up with the words that we
(Wilfred) Yes but I don’t think any of us are going to get too far
ahead of the rest of us we are going to go as a group. God’s people are
going to go as a people. She says that if anybody goes too far ahead of
the angel who is leading his people they will have to retrace every
step and that applies in all areas.
That’s not to say that you cannot gain perfection, you cannot reach
perfection. That’s not to say that, you can. Because perfection is a
relative term, you can have a perfect rosebud, absolutely perfect as a
rosebud but it is not a perfect rose because it is not a full-blown
rose yet. There comes a time when the latter rain is going to come. But
until it comes the harvest is not perfected. That’s in Testimonies to
(John) It is called the perfecting latter rain isn’t it?
(Wilfred) Yes. So we can all reach perfection at this level but the
hundred and forty four thousand perfect people who are going to go
through to translation are all going to go together. They’ll be
perfectly united. Read it in Joel
chapter 2. Just like an army in
complete step they’re all to together.
(Ted) And they may be spread throughout the world.
(Wilfred) They may be spread throughout the world. Although I am
suspicious that there is going to be a large segment in the civilized
countries. They are going to be educated people, they have to be.
(Another man) I am also suspicious that in some countries where the
Spirit of Prophecy is not accepted there will be very few.
(Wilfred) Anybody who does not believe the Spirit of Prophecy will
be among the hundred and forty four thousand, period.
(Same man) Some of those souls in those places…they cannot answer the
(Wilfred) That’s a very good thought. But did you know something? God
knows where every individual that is going to compose that group is.
And when He wanted Abraham in a certain place He said; Abraham get up
and go. And there are going to be people from all parts of the world
and they are going to be in the right place to get the message at the
right time and they are going to go through. God is in control of his
work and it says that He is going to take over the reins in his own
hands and you will be able to see it. She says that you will be able to
see that God is taking the reins into his own hands. That the Advent
movement is actually going out of the control of the Conferences. That
the Spirit of God is coming upon individual people and nothing is
stopping it. They even want to stop themselves because every time they
start they get into trouble. And it says that they will vow that
they’ll never talk about that again, you know, that they will keep
quiet. It says that the Spirit of God comes upon them and they can’t
help themselves they have got to give the message and they will and
they are stirring up all over the place right now. It’s stirring right
now. And all the economic things of the world are zeroing in, we are
right near the end. We’re right near the end. The great and dreadful
day of the Lord is coming on fast. And before it comes we have got to
have that message that will prepare us to stand. So the great sifting
is right around the corner and the great shaking and the sealing. In
fact she says it’s already started in her day. But the culmination of
it is right ahead of us.
(John) It swells to a loud cry.
(Wilfred) It swells yes it swells. But it will swell rapidly when it
starts and there will be no turning back. When that thing starts to
hit it may come overnight some aspects of it and all of a sudden you’re
shocked, is that it? And you’ll think oh, couldn’t it have waited for
another six months or six weeks or even a day. No this is it.
(John) She says; it’s like fire in the stubble.
(Wilfred) Yes. You are going to have to run like the horsemen not the
footmen. It will be a tragic day for those who have not prepared.
That’s why we are trying to stir you up to prepare. And how do you
prepare? Just what you are doing now, get this stuff into your mind
here, fortify the mind with the truth. Fortify it even if you don’t
understand it all, get it in there so the Spirit of God will have
something to work with and you will understand it as it unfolds.
Well, I didn’t expect to go that long tonight John. I’m sorry but I ran
into the next tape again.
(John) Well something you said just then reminded me of one statement
about preparation and I thought as I looked on myself and I am sure
that as we look at the problems we have we keep looking at ourselves
and the message that Jesus has for us as a people is to repent lest I
come to remove the candlestick from its place. And in Thoughts From
the Mount of Blessing she says; “Repentance is turning from self
(John) That’s what repentance is. And when we get caught up with our
personal problems we are thinking about self. Self, self, all the
(Wilfred) Always, always.
(John) And we’ve got to take our eyes away from ourselves and look at
the Lord. By beholding Him we become changed.
(Wilfred) We must get away from the earthly attachments. Everything
should be on the altar. We don’t make any permanent plans for
ourselves, like Jesus. Sure we have to take care of things we’ve got to
take in vegetables in the fall so we can eat, you know. We have got to
get clothes and a place to live. But we are only sojourners, just
sojourners. Our main aim is preparation for the coming of the King. And
you cannot prepare yourself for the coming of the Kingdom unless you
share with others, you just can’t. What you get yourself you’ve got to
For the benefit of some of you new folks I would like to have read some
of the statements that she has to say about that but I can’t do it
tonight maybe we can do it again some other time. Some of us have heard
them several times already.
(John) Brother Johnson we know you have a lot of responsibility at the
present time are you able to meet with us next week?
(Wilfred) Well we’ll plan it. I didn’t think I would be able to make it
tonight but I have been sustained and I hope the Lord doesn’t give me a
let-down when I get home. But if He does it doesn’t matter, He can take
me tonight if He wants me.
(The conclusion of this two C/D series Christ’s Death and Resurrection)