The Open and Shut Door Dilemma
J. Wilfred Johnson
April 28th, 1976
Transcribed from C/Ds #47, #48
October 7, 2013 thru October 16, 2013
Now this evening I’m going to tackle a subject that is difficult and
I’m going to have to appeal to your tolerant natures and open minds and
high intellects. I hope that you will not feel that we’re moving into a
topic that we should leave alone. There are many things that we have
been teaching down through the years in our denomination as doctrines,
we’ve been teaching them as units, segments, little compartments, each
one in it’s own particular place. But we have been paying little
attention to how these various segments of doctrine are coordinated,
how they are interrelated, and how they tie together. Some of you folks
have been with me now for about fifty meetings as I figure, at least.
About thirty of these two-hour sessions, which is about sixty hours,
and you have been in various other meetings and Sabbath School classes
and what not and in all of these I have been bringing various parts of
these segments and from time to time I have tried to coordination some
of these together.
I think we’re reaching a stage now
where maybe we ought to be putting the whole picture together and I
apologize to those of you who are recent joiner-uppers in our Group.
You may possibly find yourself flying at loose ends in spots because of
the fact that you have not had the opportunity to get all of the parts
that we formally discussed. I will keep relating back to things that we
have said before, but I will be doing it very hastily and casually
because if I go back and do it thoroughly we just never cover the
integrating parts, I hope I am making myself reasonably clear.
We have not talked too much about
the sanctuary yet and I’m going to say a little bit about that tonight
and I’m also afraid that I am going to bring up questions and problems
that I will not be prepared to answer tonight and this is where I
appeal to your tolerance. I am not going to say that I can’t answer
them, some of them I can answer but there are some that I cannot, yet,
and I say “Yet" because I think there is an answer to every problem
that shows up in the books. And down through the last thirty some years
there hasn’t a year gone by but what I haven’t stumbled into a number
of answers that I didn’t have before and I would expect that the Lord
will continue to do that and He will do that for all of us. He has told
us that He is going to send his Spirit of Truth to guide us into the
whole picture, all truth. So things that we cannot answer tonight let’s
not get too upset about them. In Sister White’s day there were things
that she couldn’t answer and I’m going to deal with one of those
problems. Some of the brethren and herself had certain ideas and then
she received a vision which made it necessary for them to change their
ideas but at the same time it brought up a problem which to this day
she has not answered. I should say until the day of her death. In all
her writings I have seen no evidence that she understood it. But as a
faithful prophet she wrote it the way she saw it. She was criticized,
bombarded, and I’ll confess that the thing that brings this to my
attention at this particular point is another bombardment that she is
getting from somebody down south of the border and the thing is a
little critical of the fact that in the published books the thing has
not been acknowledged with all its implications but it has been
cautiously dealt with.
Well, I think we have to go along
with this. There are things that we don’t understand now, what do we do
about it? Make a big fuss or do we do the best we can under the
circumstances and move on from there? I have more respect for Sister
White after I read some of these problems that arose in her experience
and her humility in submitting to opinions of people and the brethren
and putting her own views down or expressing the thing that the Lord
showed her even though she gets static for it, not agitating the thing,
just trying to move forward as smoothly as possible until such time as
would open up the total picture. And in this particular thing I am not
so sure that that picture was opened up before she died. And I’m not so
sure that if I give you the whole picture that some of you will even
want to accept it. But we have to face the facts. At least we have to
find out what’s in here. What does the Word say? Then if you feel there
is enough evidence to draw a conclusion, fine. That’s what they did
back there. And if that conclusion is not correct then be ready to
change it when further evidence comes and she gives us that instruction
and I have read you that some time back. Don’t close your mind even if
it is one of our doctrines that we have taught for many years. Don’t
close your mind she says.
There is only one exception to that
and that is the pillars of our faith. She speaks about the pillars of
our faith, these things will never change. Things like the Sabbath,
they’re not gong to change that. That is a revealed truth and it’s
complete. Yes, it is gong to be proclaimed more fully during the Loud
Cry. And that more fully I’m sure has more that one meaning. It not
only will be broadcast in a wider area more fully but to a deeper
extent it will be understood more fully. But the basic doctrine of the
Sabbath will not change. The law of God will not change and the state
of the dead will not change, and so on. And the sanctuary she saw in
vision but there are some things about the sanctuary I could bring up
questions that I know that you folks could not answer. And there are
students of the Bible who are going to bring those questions to you
when things get a little hotter than they are now. And she warns us to
be prepared to give an answer straight from the books and that’s one
reason I feel I should call this to your attention. We mustn’t get too
smug in thinking that we have all the truth and we understand it all
and nobody can challenge us. Do you understand? We’ve got to be
prepared to be challenged and to be put into a corner and admit that we
don’t understand something. I’ll do the best I can to provide you with
the information and I may even go a little ways towards suggesting the
solutions to some of these things but at the present moment I don’t
feel that I can go too far in that because I don’t feel we are really
ready to take some of these thoughts. We are going to have to
discipline ourselves to be very open-minded before we get through with
God’s program. Some of the statements she has made were not made for no
cause at all they were made for a very definite reason.
Well, let me read now from Great
Controversy page 426. And I might as well tell you that we are
center this around “The Shut Door Theory” if you have ever heard of it
and maybe you’ve never heard of it. It is another reason why you should
read that little book, Early Writings.
“The coming of Christ as our high
priest to the most holy place, for the cleansing of the sanctuary,
brought to view in Daniel
8:14;” That’s one, here’s the second. “The coming of the Son of man to the Ancient of Days, as presented
in Daniel 7:13,” That’s two. “And the coming of the Lord to
His temple, foretold by Malachi,” Do you remember that one? Coming
suddenly to his temple? That’s three. “Are descriptions of the
same event; and this is also represented by the coming of the
bridegroom to the marriage, described by Christ in the parable of the
ten virgins, of Matthew 25.” That’s four. Four things she says are
all a description of the same event. Shall we look at Matthew 25 first?
This is the parable of the ten
virgins and you remember how that five of them had no oil for their lamps
and the other five did. They were all waiting for the bridegroom and
while the bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept then at
midnight there was a cry made, behold, the bridegroom cometh go ye
out to meet him. Now this parable had an application to the experience
of God’s people prior to 1844 and it is termed the Midnight Cry which
went out to warn people that the bridegroom was coming. And they
interpreted that to mean that Christ was coming from heaven to this
earth. Do you understand? And they had their time set for 1843 at first
and then later to 1844. And then there was the great disappointment.
Now this was called the Midnight Cry. And in Sister Whites first vision
where she sees the people of God moving on up the path there was a
bright light behind them lighting the path and that light was the
Now when the Midnight Cry went out
all these virgins woke up and some of them had oil and some of them did
not. So, it goes on to say, and while these foolish ones went to buy
their oil the bridegroom came and they that were ready went in with Him
to the marriage. And the door was shut. Now, what does that mean?
(John) The door that was shut was
the door to the holy place.
(Wilfred) Where did He go? Where
did He go to the...?
(John) To the most holy.
(Wilfred) Wait a minute now, let’s
read it here. Read it, somebody.
(A woman in the audience) To the
(Wilfred) To the marriage. Do you
have any idea what that means? (A long silence) Seventh-day Adventists
that have studied hard.
(John) The marriage we are told in
Christ’s Object Lessons
is the union of humanity with divinity.
(Wilfred) Keep going, let’s get all
the thoughts we can get here. Christ the bridegroom went into the
marriage and the door was shut. What would you do if someone challenged you
on it? Hummm, I’m challenging you right now. Are you ready to tackle
(Man in the audience) Probation
would be closed, the shutting of the door. Christ’s marriage would be
to his church. Taking his church the same time.
(Wilfred) You’re getting really
close to this thing. What did they interpret it to mean?
(Same woman) Christ was coming
(Wilfred) That Christ was coming
literally and in some mystical form the marriage would take place. You
remember what Paul says in Ephesians
there about the marriage of Christ
to his church, this great mystery? He is talking about the marriage of
Christ to his church. They twain shall one flesh. We have discussed
this haven’t we? The restoration of the body of Christ in his people,
his inheritance and his saints. But what did the pioneers interpret
this to mean?
(John) The second coming of Christ?
There was a time when they felt that under the Millerite movement that
there was a teaching that went forth that probation was closed at that
(Same woman) Those that didn’t
accept the message were lost and the door was shut forever.
(John) And I think there was a
teaching that they taught that there was no more sense to call people
to repentance and they were to get ready for the Lord...
(Wilfred) All right, we’ve got the
questions now maybe we could move into the material.
I’ll read what she says. "For a
after the disappointment in 1844 I did hold in common with the Advent
body that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This
position was taken before my first vision" God had not yet
her, she was just a young girl remember? "Before my first vision
given. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error and
enabled us to see the true position." A Word to the Little Flock.
Now, I’m going to read from a
letter that she wrote to Joseph Bates. July 13, 1847. Just before I do
let me say that it was in December after the October disappointment
that she received her first vision. She said in that statement I just
read that that vision corrected their error. This is what it says in
the first vision, “I turned to look for the Advent people in the world,
but could not find them, when a voice said to me, "Look again, and look
a little higher." At this I raised my eyes, and saw a straight and
narrow path, cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent
people were traveling to the city, which was at the farther end of the
path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the beginning of
the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry.” Early
Writings page 14.
All right now, this Midnight Cry
was a bright light. And William Miller had been preaching for about
twelve years the second coming of Jesus in 1843 and then in 1844, and
they all believed that He was coming to this earth. It was a message
from God and it didn’t pan out. Now, are you prepared for an experience
like that? So what did they do? They came to some conclusions.
Obviously it wasn’t right they made a mistake someplace, something was
wrong. Why did God permit them to think erroneously for all those years?
Well God had a purpose for this, He had a reason for this, God does
nothing without a good reason. And I am convinced right now that some
of us have some ideas that aren’t correct and someday we are going to
have to change them, are you prepared to do it? Or will you be stubborn
when the evidence comes in front of you and you say; I don’t believe
it, like some of them did back there. They were stubborn, they wouldn’t
believe it. Because it didn’t happen it is all wrong, it wasn’t right.
And they turned away from the faith and Sister White concluded that
these people who gave up the thing, the door of mercy had closed for
them. But they went one step further, that the door of mercy had closed
for the whole world because they were convinced that Christ was coming
at that time but they just misinterpreted something or other. But it
must be the end of something, you see. They were confused.
Now this vision was supposed to
clear it up according to her statement.
I’ll read the rest of it; “This
light shone all along the path and gave light for their feet so that
they might not stumble. If they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was
just before them, leading them to the city, they were safe. But soon
some grew weary, and said the city was a great way off, and they
expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by
raising His glorious right arm, and from His arm came a light which
waved over the Advent band, and they shouted, "Alleluia!" Others rashly
denied the light behind them and said that it was not God that had led
them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in
perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of
Jesus, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below.
Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day
and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew
and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and
an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy
Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God,
as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai."
144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was
written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious star containing Jesus' new
name. At our happy, holy state the wicked were enraged, and would rush
violently up to lay hands on us" And she goes on to talk about
Now what was cleared up here? What
did that vision clear up? Can you see anything in there? Well, that’s
what somebody is saying right now, what did it clear up?
She had another vision a little
latter, one in February. I think at this point I’ll read part of this
letter she wrote to Joseph Bates in 1847. She had another vision in
February 1845 and she had another one in March 1849 that deals with
this topic. I hope that we can follow this pattern here and get the
things I am trying to bring out. You might be interested in the letter
just to see what this girl wrote like when she was writing casually to
All right, this is written from
“As James is at work and sisters
are from home thought I would employ myself in writing a line to you.
My health is quite good for me. My faith is still strong that that very
same Jesus that ascended up into heaven will so come in like manner as
He went up, and that very, very soon. I have had many trials of late;
discouragement at times has laid so fast hold upon me it seemed
impossible to shake it off. But thank God, Satan has not got the
victory over me yet, and by the grace of God he never shall. I know and
feel my weakness, but I have laid hold upon the strong arm of Jehovah,
and I can say today I know that my Redeemer liveth, and if He lives I
shall live also. Oh how good it would be to meet with a few of like
precious faith to exhort and comfort one another with words of holy
cheer from the word of God. The sheep are now scattered, but thank God,
they are about to be gathered to a good pasture.”
“Oh how sweet it will be to meet
all the blood-washed throng in the city of our God. 'Tis then we'll
sing the song of Moses and the Lamb as we march through the gates into
the city, bearing the palms of victory and wearing the crowns of glory.”
“Brother Bates, you write in a
letter to James something about the Bridegroom's coming, as stated in
the first published visions. By the letter you would like to know
whether I had light on the Bridegroom's coming before I saw it in
vision. I can readily answer, No. The Lord showed me the travail of the
Advent band and Midnight Cry in December, but He did not show me the
Bridegroom's coming until February following.” You got that? She
did not see the truth about the Bridegrooms coming until February.
"Perhaps you would like to have me give a statement in relation to
both visions. At the time I had the vision of the Midnight Cry I had
given it up in the past and thought it future,” Now that’s between
October 18, 1844 and December 1844 she had given up the Midnight Cry in
the past and thought it was in the future. What does that mean? That it
was still to come. The door was still open that probation was still
open, see? Is that what it means? If the Midnight Cry had been finished
in the past then the door was shut and there was no more salvation for
sinners. Now she says, at the time I had the vision of the Midnight Cry
she had given up that idea and has reverted to the idea that the door
was open yet and that the Midnight Cry was still something future. Do
you see? You didn’t get it? Immediately after 1844 she said the door
was shut and most of the folk believe the same thing. That there was no
more salvation for sinners. But by the time she got down to December
she had changed her mind and thought that the Midnight Cry was still in
(Another man in the audience) She
also said the light was still shining on the path.
(Wilfred) Good, I’m glad you
spotted that. That’s the only thing I can see in that first vision that
clears this at all. The fact that that Midnight Cry light was still
shining on the path. Do you understand? Which means that it was still
an effective thing. And just while I think of it let's not close our
minds to the fact that the Midnight Cry may still be repeated. She
says, study Revelation because history will be repeated. And with what
we’ve discussed before can you not see what that would mean? The
marriage of the Lamb is going to be consummated before the close of
probation. He is to come to his new temple of saints and there is to be
a marriage union a restoration of the body of Christ. Do you
understand? Any declaration calling attention to the fact the
bridegroom is going to come to his temple, to his saints, to his bride
if you please is a repetition of the Midnight Cry. Now, is this going
to happen in the future or is it not? Christ is not going to come
physically to this earth to receive his saints until He has come by his
Spirit in the marriage union under the terms of the New Covenant to
retrace his character in his people. Do you understand? And that takes
place before probation closes. So there is going to be another Midnight
Cry with a shut door at the close of probation. And I’m going to read
it to you in a moment. Back there the door that was shut was the door
to the holy apartment. She got that cleared out in the vision of 1849
and the door that was open up was the door to the most holy. So there
was still an open door but it was not the same open door. And that’s
the point I don’t think any of those pioneers understood, even her. She
never deals in this in that sense at all. It’s just the fact that the
door of mercy is still open to those who have not heard the message and
rejected it. That’s all she says that I can find. She does not
delineate the fact that it was the first door that was shut and the
second door that was open and that there is a distinction there. She
gives way to the idea that the door is still open; the door of mercy is
still open. Then she says, but I still saw that the door to the holy
apartment was shut and the door to the most holy was open and no man
could shut that and no man could open the other. And she leaves it at
Now, I wonder if you can’t see that
the first Midnight Cry went out when the door to the holy apartment was
shut but to the most holy was opened. Can you see that? And you know
already I hope what goes on in the most holy but we’re going to talk
about it if we have time enough. But there is coming an end to the
probationary period during which the most holy door is open and prior
to that the second Midnight Cry announcing the coming of the Holy Ghost
to his temple in the out pouring of the latter rain will take place and
the marriage will be consummated. And there will be people today who
will go with him to the marriage. Oh yes I know, there is a
contradiction here and I’ll deal with that too. I’ve got it slated for
You’ve got a question?
(John) No, You stated that you
didn’t think Sister White understood what she was writing about. And
she wrote in Great
Controversy even the prophets who were favored with
his special illumination of the Spirit did not fully comprehend and the
import of the revelations committed to them.
(Wilfred) Yes, it does happen. But
she faithfully wrote what she saw and I thank her for that. She didn’t
move an inch. She backed up to be harmonious with brethren but she
never let go of the truth she saw. I saw it and there it is and I’ll
write it and she did. And I’m glad she did because if she hadn’t
written it we today would not have gotten the true picture. That’s what
would have happened.
Now, she says, “At the time I
had the vision of the Midnight Cry I had given it up in the past and
thought it future, as also most of the band had.” She called the
little group the band. “I know not what time J. Turner got out his
paper.” Now this Turner I’ll tell you had the same thought that
Sister White was shown in vision. But she didn’t want to tell her
vision because she thought Turner believed like the rest of the band,
so she was afraid to tell it. And when she did tell it she found out
that Turner had already written a paper on it and had presented it at
the meeting that the Lord has asked her to tell it to and she didn’t do
it. And Turner had a paper already written and the Lord used him as a
substitute to give it that same meeting. And when Sister White found
out about that she was humiliated and she went back to God and asked his
forgiveness and at the next meeting she gave her vision because there
was only a few people at the first meeting the next time she gave it
just as it was and they accepted it.
Well, let me read on. “I knew
he had one out and one was in the house, but I knew not what was in it,
for I did not read a word in it. I had been, and still was very sick, I
took no interest in reading, for it injured my head and made me
nervous. After I had the vision and God gave me light, He bade me
deliver it to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I
thought they would not receive it from me. I disobeyed the Lord, and
instead of remaining at home, where the meeting was to be that night, I
got in a sleigh in the morning and rode three or four miles and there I
found J. T. (Joseph Turner). He merely inquired how I was and if I was
in the way of my duty. I said nothing, for I knew I was not. I passed
up to the chamber and did not see him again for two hours, when he came
up, asked if I was to be at meeting that night. I told him, No. He said
he wanted to hear my vision and thought it duty for me to go home. I
told him I should not. He said no more, but went away. I thought, and
told those around me, if I went I should have to come out against his
views,” She told her vision and though it would be against his
views and their views, see? “Thinking he believed with the rest. I
had not told any of them what God had shown me, and I did not tell them
in what I should cut across his track.” She didn’t tell him what
thing would be opposite of what he thought. Why was she shrinking from
doing her duty?
(John) She didn’t want to be in
variance with her brethren.
(Wilfred) Right, she thought that
she would be cutting across what they believed and they would not
“All that day I suffered much in
body and mind. It seemed that God had forsaken me entirely. I prayed
the Lord if he would give me strength to ride home that night, the
first opportunity I would deliver the message He had given me. He did
give me strength and I rode home that night. Meeting had been done some
time, and not a word was said by any of the family about the meeting.” No body said a word, everybody was quiet.
“Very early next morning J. T.
(Joseph Turner) called, said he was in haste going out of the city in a
short time, and wanted I should tell him all that God had shown me in
vision. It was with fear and trembling I told him all. After I had got
through he said he had told out the same last evening.” In other
words, I gave that same view last evening to the meeting. That’s what
“I was rejoiced, for I expected he
was coming out against me, for all the while I had not heard any one
say what he believed.” You see, Sister White thought that this
Turner would be contrary to her view when all the time he was agreeing
with her. “He said the Lord had sent him to hear me talk the
evening before, but as I would not, he meant his children should have
the light in some way, so he took him.” Do you see that? She ran
away from home over to his place and he asked her, are you in the way
of the Lord's duty? Are you not going to the meeting tonight? See, he
knew that he was to go to the meeting to hear what the Lord had to say
through her. But he never told her that. He didn’t give any orders to
the Lord’s prophet. If she wasn’t going, he let it go at that. But he
already had a paper of his own written, He didn’t know that her vision
verified what he had at that time. But he went to the meeting and
Sister White wasn’t there so he couldn’t hear what he was supposed to
hear from her but he gave his own paper and that was the very thing
that the Lord had given Sister White to give to the meeting which she
didn’t do. Do you see how the Lord taught her a lesson?
(A man in the audience) It also
helped to strengthen the message...
(Wilfred) Yes, So she said, “There were but few out when he talked, so the next meeting I told my
vision, and the band, believing my visions from God, received what God
bade me to deliver to them.”
“The view about the Bridegroom's
coming I had about the middle of February, 1845.”
“While in Exeter, Maine in
with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not
believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the
meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand.” Now do you see the
transition? Previously she had been shown that the midnight Light was
still shinning on the path. Now she says that when she met with these
other folks in February she suffered much at the commencement of the
meeting. Many of these people at the meeting did not believe in a shut
door. What’s she talking about? Well, The bridegroom coming here says
that the door was shut, see? And she still had the conviction that
there was a shut door because the Bible said so. In spite of her vision
that the light was still shinning there was a shut door. Now she said,
“Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there
that was called, very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful
preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a
mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut
door. She had great sympathy, this woman, “And could not
believe the door was shut.” I mean the Lord’s too merciful, He
wouldn’t close the door. That’s the way this lady thought. And Sister
White felt badly because there was a division in the band over this
thing. She said, “(I had known nothing of their
differences.)” Now I didn’t state that right. I misinterpreted
this, I didn’t read it correctly, She had a bad time but here she
states that it wasn’t because she knew of the difference at that time,
it was because of her own feelings. “Sister Durben got up to talk.
I felt very, very sad.” And then she found out about the
difference. “At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while
she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then that I
had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the
holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom.” Now what did she
see? Jesus moved from the holy apartment into the most holy apartment
as the bridegroom to receive his Kingdom. Do you remember in Revelation
that it says I will show you the bride of the Lamb, the Lamb’s wife and
what was she shown? The New Jerusalem, the Kingdom. Now we’ve talked
about that a little. But the Bible says that his Kingdom is where?
(John) In his saints.
(Wilfred) In his saints. So when He
goes into the most holy to receive his Kingdom, what is He receiving?
Let me put it very briefly; I’ve gone over it before. He is receiving
again the total allegiance of his people voluntarily. He lost his
Kingdom when Lucifer decided not to respect Him. He would never use
force so the only way He could hold his Kingdom and maintain his
ruler-ship over his people was if they respected Him voluntarily, can
you see that? Now as long as his people are disobeying his commandments
and not serving Him He has no way to recover his Kingdom, without using
force which He won’t do, except to win the restoration of allegiance in
the hearts of his people. Can you see that? Now it is during the latter
rain experience. While Christ is in the most holy of the heavenly
sanctuary that the cleansing of the temple is to take place. He’s
cleansing the sanctuary is He not? And she tells us in Great
Controversy that, I think it is John, while He is doing that in
there is to be a parallel work of cleansing the soul temple here on
earth. Can you get it? Now He is going to come suddenly to his temple
as in Malachi chapter
three. She says it’s the very same experience
that is talked about in connection with this parable. I read that from
Great Controversy a
few minutes ago. The messenger of the covenant,
Malachi three, is
going to come suddenly to his temple of saints. What
for? To purify and cleanse them and how are they identified? As the
sons of Levi. And who are the sons of Levi? Those who chose to stand
with Moses when he destroyed that golden calf. He said, who is on the
Lord’s side? Come and stand with me. And who came? The sons of Levi.
The cry goes out today Brother and Sister, who is on the Lord’s side?
Who is ready to stand with God today and get rid of the idols? They are
the sons of Levi and what’s He going to do with them? He is going to
come suddenly to that temple, to the most holy of that temple to purify
and cleanse it. Got the picture?
He is going to receive his Kingdom,
now Sister White saw this in vision. All she saw was that Jesus rose up
from the holy and moved into the most holy. That’s what she saw and
that’s what she wrote. To receive his Kingdom. The rest of it comes as
you continue to study and pick up all the pieces and put them together.
It’s all there.
“They were all deeply interested in
the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in
mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben knew
what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a
short time after I fell, she was struck down, and fell to the floor,
crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears
were saluted with Sister Durben's singing and shouting with a loud
voice.” You may question these manifestations. In the early days
God talked in symbolisms to a great extent and He gave manifestations,
He did many miracles and this type of thing. But today allegiance to
God is not going to be based on manifestations, and miracles, and
spectacular and fantastic things, as such. It is going to be based on
sound solid conviction of truth. God is going to have a rational,
sensible, people operating his Kingdom. These are experiences that came
to these people because in those days they meant something. God was
working here against great odds and He gave these manifestations, for
instance when Ellen White would go into vision she would fade out and
cry glory, glory, glory, and there were certain rituals that seem to
follow each time.
(John) And her movements couldn’t
(Wilfred) And her breathing stopped
and these various things and she became sometimes ridged and then her
eyes would open and she didn’t blink. She lost her strength and then it
was renewed and so on.
Now let me clue you in; God can
give a vision to a person without any of that stuff and He does. Not
all visions are accompanied by all of those manifestations.
(John) They were needed at that
time to confirm the faith of the little scattered flock.
(Wilfred) That’s correct. They
looked for that type of thing to be a manifestation of the miraculous
and the genuine, you understand? But she tells us and warns us that
today and increasingly we cannot put our trust in such manifestations
and miracles because the devil is counterfeiting everything God does.
So, don’t look for that type of thing. And when that type of thing
happens don’t think that it is the Lord, don’t base your conviction on
truth on those things. Because you can’t, you have got to base your
conviction of truth on what it says in the books.
(John) Just to verify that, later
on in her experience and in Selected
Messages there is a whole chapter
written which says, "Miracles Not A Test of God’s Favor", there is a
whole chapter on that.
(Wilfred) Right, you can read it at your
“Most of them received the vision,
and were settled upon the shut door.” Got that? This was the
vision in February. She got the vision, she told the vision and they
were settled upon the shut door. What shut door?
(John) To the holy place.
(Wilfred) To the holy place. Now,
she doesn’t say anything about the other door, yet. “Previous to
this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected
him to this earth to deliver his people on the tenth day of the seventh
month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the
Bridegroom's going to the holiest.”
“I had but very few privileges in
1842, 3 and 4. My sisters both went to the camp meetings in New
Hampshire and Maine, while my health prevented me from going to but
one, in Maine. I know the light I received came from God, it was not
taught me by man. I knew not how to write so that others could read it
till God gave me my visions. I went to school but very little on
account of my health. I do not think I went to school a day after I was
twelve years old, and did not go then but a few days at a time, when
sickness would cause me to take my bed for weeks and sometimes for
months. The first I wrote anything that could be called writing was
after I had been sick the prayer of faith was put up for me, and
healing (here the sheet ends, and the reminder of the letter is gone.)” So I can’t read it to you.
But I’m concerned about this shut
Now let me read from Early
Writings, this is the vision she got on Sabbath March 24, 1849.
four and a half years after the 1844 disappointment.
March 24, 1849, we had a sweet and very interesting meeting with the
brethren at Topsham, Maine. The Holy Ghost was poured out upon us, and
I was taken off in the Spirit to the city of the living God. Then I was
shown that the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ
relating to the shut door could not be separated,” Now how does
that tie in? Can I read on? “And that the time for the commandments
of God to shine out with all their importance, and for God's people to
be tried on the Sabbath truth, was when the door was opened in the most
holy place in the heavenly sanctuary, where the ark is, in which are
contained the ten commandments.” Does that make sense? There is
the ark in there in the most holy. Now the door is opened up in the
most holy. There is the commandments, there is the Sabbath to shine out
now as a test for God’s people. I want you to notice that she talks
about the time after 1844 as the testing time. Testing for what?
(A man in the audience) Allegiance?
What is Christ doing in the most
holy apartment? Well, we said cleansing the sanctuary, He is doing two
things and they’re tied together. Cleansing the sanctuary and what’s
the other thing? The investigative judgment. The cases of all from
the time of Adam on down are to be examined.
(John) And sometimes during that
time it moves from the cases of the dead to the cases of the living she
(Wilfred) And when it does what
happens to the living? They are to be...
(John) Sealed or rejected.
(Wilfred) They are to be first?
(John) Settled in the truth.
(Wilfred) Tested. What is the test?
The commandments of God, your allegiance and what is the Flag?
(Several voices) The Sabbath.
(Wilfred) Now, I’m going to throw
out the question but I’m not going to answer it. The testing time
started right after 1844 and it began with the ancients. Well, we’ll
leave that for the time being.
Now the next sentence; “This door
was not opened until the mediation of Jesus was finished in the holy
place of the sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door of
the holy place, and opened the door into the most holy, and passed
within the second veil, where He now stands by the ark, and where the
faith of Israel now reaches.”
“I saw that
Jesus had shut the door of the holy place, and no man can open it; and
that He had opened the door into the most holy, and no man can shut it
(Rev. 3:7,8);” That’s pretty positive isn’t it? “And that
since Jesus has opened the door into the most holy place, which
contains the ark, the commandments have been shining out to God's
people,” Who have they been shinning out
(John) God’s people.
(Wilfred) God’s people, “And
they are being tested on the Sabbath question.”
that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation
of Jesus in the holy place was finished” I want you to note that
statement. “The present test on the Sabbath could not come” She saw
this and she wrote it faithfully, she didn’t explain it, she
just wrote it. I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not
come until the mediation of Jesus in the holy place was finished “And
He had passed within the second veil; therefore Christians who
fell asleep before the door was opened into the most holy, when the
Midnight Cry was finished, at the seventh month, 1844, and who had not
kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope; for they had not the light and
the test on the Sabbath which we now have since that door was opened.”
Is that clear? Now who else has not had the Sabbath light since
(John) The people in the nominal
(Wilfred) The nominal churches and
the rest of the world that hasn’t had the light. Then, is the door shut
(A man in the audience) No!
(Wilfred) No! Which door is it that
is open however?
(Same man) The most holy.
(Wilfred) That’s right. Not the
Holy. Now, I want to throw out another question, and I’m not
guaranteeing to answer it tonight. On the Day of Atonement, which she
verifies this is, 1844 starts the Day of Atonement, the anti-typical
Day of Atonement. On the Day of Atonement the procedure was that the
Priest went into the outer apartment, shut the door and then opened the
door to the most holy and went into the most holy to stand before the
Ark. Now the door to the holy apartment was shut all during the time he
was in there. During the time he was in there no sins were transferred
into the sanctuary but the sins that were already recorded in the
sanctuary were being cleansed out of the sanctuary by the same
sprinkling of blood that brought them in. It was during the other 359
days of the year (They had a different year than ours) every day there
was a morning and evening sacrifice for the sins of the people. Right?
In addition to that anyone who sinned and he became conscience of his
sin had to bring an animal or doves or what all, and he had to slay
that in the outer court, not in the sanctuary itself, in the court and
the priest would take the blood into the sanctuary and sprinkle it on
the horns of the altar and... I am not up on all the details of the
sanctuary service. That’s what I’m concerned about right now. But by
this procedure the sins were transferred to the sanctuary. And you must
remember that this is all symbolism, it’s all symbolic. You can
parallel this with the experience of a human being if you want to do
it. When you sin that sin is recorded here. That’s one temple. There
are four temples, tabernacles. That’s one. When you become a member of
the family of God you become one with Christ. Christ is the true
tabernacle she says. He accepts your sin, it is registered in his temple
and you go free. That is another view of it and the symbolic one we
just read. And we’ll leave it at that point.
But the sanctuary in heaven is
going to be cleansed by the same sprinkling of blood but it goes right
into the most holy, right? Similarly, your temple is going to be
cleansed, but the sprinkling of blood, and we know what that is don’t
we? It is the application of the life of Christ which is the Holy
Spirit. It is going to go not just only into the holy apartment where
the record of sin is kept it’s going to go right into the most holy
where your free choice, your allegiance, your independent decision can
be made to serve God and your temple is going to be cleansed and the
cleansing starts with that decision. That’s when He receives his
Kingdom. When you make that decision you are now a subject in his
Kingdom and He has dominion over you. Do you see that? And when He gets
a hundred and forty four thousand of those He has his Kingdom. I could
read you that in this little book too. It’s in here. Should I take time
to do it? I get so far off, we go into these side avenues and maybe
I’ll lose you.
Here she says it, listen, “Every
case had been decided for life or death.” She has just quoted he
that is unjust be unjust still, he that is filthy let him be filthy
still, and he that is righteous let him be righteous still. That
declaration has just gone forth and then she says, by the way, this
page 280. Sorry I keep forgetting. “Every case had been decided for
life or for death. While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary,
the judgment had been going on for the righteous dead, and then for the
righteous living.” Listen! “Christ had received His kingdom,” And you might want to put down Ephesians 1:18 to refer to
point. “Having made the atonement for his people and blotted out
(The end of C/D #47 and the
beginning of C/D #48)
The subjects of the Kingdom were
made up. The marriage of the Lamb was consummated. And the kingdom, and
the greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, was given to Jesus
and the heirs of salvation, and Jesus was to reign as King of kings and
Lord of lords." Did you get the whole picture there? The marriage was
there, the reception of His Kingdom is in there. The number of the
subjects is made up and they share the Kingdom with Him.
(John) And this is before He leaves
the most holy place.
(Wilfred) This is before He leaves,
moved out of the most holy place, I heard the tinkling of the bells
upon His garment; and as He left, a cloud of darkness covered the
inhabitants of the earth.” This is the close of probation. “There was then no mediator between guilty man and an offended God.
While Jesus had been standing between God and guilty man, a restraint
was upon the people; but when He stepped out from between man and the
Father, the restraint was removed and Satan had entire control of the
finally impenitent.” God gives final complete control into the
hand of Satan over the wicked after probation closes. And you are going
to stand in that situation without a mediator and still not flunk out.
Do you see the job God has to do for you yet and in you?
“It was impossible for the plagues
to be poured out while Jesus officiated in the sanctuary; but as his
work there is finished, and his intercession closes, there is nothing
to stay the wrath of God,” I want you to notice that the
wrath of God comes through whom?
(Wilfred) Satan. “And it
breaks with fury upon the shelterless head of the guilty sinner, who
has slighted salvation and hated reproof. In that fearful time, after
the close of Jesus' mediation, the saints were living in the sight of a
holy God without an intercessor.” Could that be any plainer? And
if you have any sin my Brother and Sister there is just no two ways
about it you could not stand. But I want to give a word of caution here
while Christ lays down his priestly robes at this point He does not do
it until his people are perfectly sealed and accepted for eternity. Did
you get the significance of that statement? If you fail after probation
closes you are not the loser. Who is?
(John) Jesus Christ.
(Wilfred) What will be your motive
to hang in there tight?
(John) Love for Christ.
(Wilfred) Love for Christ. Do you
see how God is going to set up a situation where He can prove before
all the universe that you are keeping the Law of Heaven which is
self-renouncing love? Can you see that? If He hadn’t done it that way
you would be hanging in there for your own sake and Brother you
wouldn’t make it. Because there is no power that is strong enough to
keep a man from sinning in the face of all the devil’s temptations with
no mediator. There is no power strong enough to do that but the power
of self-denying love which is the love of God. No other power, your
self-interested love would never make it. Try that refrigerator, you
keep going to that refrigerator when you decided that you’re not going
to do it, don’t you? You could never make it on your love. No way!
(A man in the audience) That’s
still a temptation, right?
(Wilfred) Come on now quit your
teasing here. Well, should I tell you the truth? It was secretaries
week I guess last week or sometime recently and my wife went back to
today and what do you suppose she got, a big box of the most luxurious
chocolates you ever saw. And what do you suppose she did with them? She put
them right out in front of me. I think I stopped after the third one
and it was after I had my supper. Well I’ll tell you one thing
moderation and temperance is much harder than abstinence. And God says
be ye temperate. So we have got to go the hard route.
“Every case was decided, every
jewel numbered.” Every jewel numbered, and He gives the number.
And I hope you people don’t get thrown off your feet by the suggestion
that that isn’t the number. I can’t see God making a mistake. Can you.
At the same time it is symbolic I think in another sense. But the
living saints, she says positively are 144,000 in number and here she
says they were all numbered. “Jesus tarried a moment in the outer
apartment of the heavenly sanctuary,” Where did He tarry?
(John) In the holy place.
(Wilfred) Where was He heading?
(John) Out of the holy place.
(Wilfred) He tarried a moment there “And the sins which had been confessed while He was in the most
holy place were placed upon Satan, the originator of sin, who must
suffer their punishment.” Tell me why must Satan suffer the
punishment of your sins that you confessed since 1844, why?
(John) Because he caused them.
(Wilfred) Good for you.
(Wilfred) Now there is a whole area
that I would just love to go into but I cannot do it tonight. For one
reason, I am not free to do it, there are minds here that are not
prepared for it, I am aware of that and until we are prepared for it I
can’t do it. But there is an answer to the problem that is presented
here. How come it was the sins that were confessed since 1844 that He
paused to put on the head of the scapegoat in the holy apartment? The
scapegoat wasn’t even in the Holy apartment. Let me clue you in. The
scapegoat never got in there. He was out in the court.
(John) How did the sins get in
(Wilfred) And how did they get in
there? It doesn’t say they were in there; I would like you to notice.
It just says that at that point Jesus stopped to place the sins on the
head of the scapegoat. But the scapegoat was outside. So He must have
had a method of putting the sins that you have confessed since 1844 on
the scapegoat outside. It doesn’t say they were in the holy apartment
and that He took them with him out and put them on the head of the
scapegoat. It says that He paused a moment in the outer apartment of
the heavenly sanctuary and the sins which had been confessed while He
was in the most holy place were placed upon Satan, the originator of
sin who must suffer their punishment. Now you may interpret her
statement “outer apartment” to mean the court, but she does not use it
that way as far as I have been able to find. Anytime she talks about
the “outer apartment” she is talking about the first apartment or the
holy apartment. But you can draw your own conclusions if you want.
There is a solution to this problem.
(Larry) Now you’re going to talk
about another facet there is also two kinds of probational closings isn’t
there? There’s a closing of probation that she gives in another section
maybe that’s not in the topic tonight. Those that have had the third
angel’s message and have not lived up to all the light, their probation
closes. This is at the time of the Sunday law or the national Sunday
I didn’t know whether we should.......
(Wilfred) That’s perfectly ok that
you brought that in, as a matter of fact probation closes not at a specific
point of time. When we talk about the close of probation we’re talking
about the time when it closes for the last person involved in that
category. Because she said right here after 1844 that the people who
had heard the message at that time and had rejected it, the door was
shut for them. She says that, I haven’t come across that yet but it’s
(Larry) This other part has to do
with closing the door for those, like all of us know the third angel’s
message if we have not fulfilled our obligation to the message then for
us the Sunday law will then be the probational closing after the Sunday
law has been passed. Those that have not yet been faced with the
problem of accepting it or rejecting it will also then at that time
have a probationary period which they make up their minds. Once this
has been closed then everything is shut off then we come into the time
of trouble and everything and we all go through that together.
(Wilfred) You see, the probation
for those people who are going to be perfected and who are going to be
used of God to give the Loud Cry has already closed before they give
the Loud Cry. They are already eternally accepted and sealed.
(Another man in the audience) Then
the Holy Spirit will drive them to give the message.
(Wilfred) Yes, constrain them.
Constrain them to give the message.
(Same man) Also there is a text
Brother Johnson in Matthew
24:15 it says, “When ye therefore shall see
the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand
in the holy place.” For me ... Unintelligible
(Wilfred) It is, although I think
there is more to it. I am not prepared to comment on that right now.
But there is something to it.
I still didn’t get the answer to
this question, why were these placed upon Satan? And why does He suffer
(A woman in the audience) Did you
say that they were the sins before 1844?
(Wilfred) No. Sins that were
confessed since the door to the holy apartment were shut and that
includes all of mine. My sins could not go into the sanctuary the same
way that the people who lived before 1844 could and neither could
yours because the door is closed. The priest is already in there. We
are living in the Day of Atonement the sins are to be cleansed out of
the sanctuary not put back in.
(John) Way back in anti-type they
couldn’t confess sins on the Day of Atonement. It was too late then.
Although they were searching their hearts but they.....
(Wilfred) I should have checked on
that. There is a point in connection with that and I forgot to check
(Same man) You spoke about that
particular time in the original ceremony though... and I
didn’t quit get it all.
(Wilfred) The sin was transferred
by the sprinkling of the blood in the holy apartment
(Same man) You were mentioning
during the Day of Atonement.
(Wilfred) The Day of Atonement, the
priest went into the holy and shut the door and then he opened the door
to the most holy and went in with the blood to the inner sanctuary to
cleanse the sanctuary and he sprinkled it in there in some places.
(Same man) There is nothing said
about his ... during that time but when he came back out he did
something in order to cover the sins at that...
(Wilfred) Nothing is said any place
that I can find anywhere.
(Same man) So there is nothing
about the sins of that day, the Day of Atonement?
(Wilfred) I told you at the
beginning of the meeting that I don’t believe that Sister White
understood it. She just passes over it, she wrote what she saw, and
that’s it. And she saw this. Now, I think you should be able to figure
out why the devil is going to suffer for these sins, I think you should
be able to see that.
(A woman in the audience) Are those
the sins of the people who have given their allegiance to Christ but
some days they may be overcome but not intentionally but is this
different from wilfull sinning?
(Wilfred) Well look, suppose I had
eaten twelve chocolates tonight instead of three. Why would I have done
it? Do you really think I want to eat twelve chocolates?
(Same woman) Why, sure.
(John) The Spirit is willing but
the flesh is weak.
(Larry) At what point does it
become weak? On the twelfth one?
(Wilfred) Well, am going to throw
out my suggestion here and you can accept it or leave it as you will.
It would be unfair for the devil to
suffer for my intentional sins if I were the guilty party. It is also
unfair for Christ to have to suffer because he’s not the guilty party.
But he’s suffering for it now, and I can read you that. He suffers for
every sin that you confess. In what sense?
(Larry) That you wound him again
every time you sin.
(Wilfred) Yes. How do you do that?
What does it do to Him? Other than just hurting him because you aren’t
(Same woman) Satan accuses Him.
(Wilfred) Satan accuses Him before
the universe and belittles Him. Makes fun of Him. Demotes Him. His word
isn’t true, He said He would save me and He hasn’t done it. All these
years He hasn’t saved me from sin. And yet He said He was going to do
it. Well, you see He can’t do it without my decision because He has
given me that decision to make. And He is not going to take it away,
devil or no devil. Suffering or no suffering. He went to the depths of
the crucifixion and what happened before the crucifixion was almost
worse than the crucifixion itself in some respects. He did that to
preserve my freedom of choice.
Now He says, Johnson, you know what
I’ve done for you, would you let me out of this pickle I’m in because of your
sins, would you make it possible for me to lay down my priestly robes
so that I don’t have to stand here any more and take all this gaff and
dirt from the devil? I’ve got to make a decision. The power is
available for me to live without sin. I can read that, it’s in the
books. It’s the decision that counts. Now if I make the right decision,
I’m out of it. But why don’t I make the right decision? Because the
devil comes in through my weaknesses with his big blasts and God
permits him to do it. Because God wants to prove to the universe that
there is no way Wilf Johnson can live without sin until he gets the
power from God to do it with. If he is exposed to the devil he is going
to flunk. So the devil is the one that causes it, really. If the devil
was taken out of the way right now Wilf Johnson would not sin and
neither would you. And that’s the thing that God is going to prove
before He leaves the heavenly sanctuary. And when He proves it He has
automatically placed the sins that you have confessed since 1844 on the
head of the scapegoat. He has proved the scapegoat guilty; He has shown
Himself to be innocent and you to be innocent.
(Man in the audience) How’s that
(Wilfred) Yes, I know that’s a hard
(Larry) How do you prove that the
scapegoat is innocent?
(Wilfred) Oh, I didn’t say that.
(Larry) Oh, I thought that’s what
(A woman in the audience) I can’t
understand why it would only be from 1844 onward?
(Wilfred) I’m glad that you
suggested that. I don’t think anybody else can either.
(Larry) That is the point of the
starting of the judgment when He does close that door.
Wilfred) Right. That’s when his
people, you see, are being judged and they are either accepted for
eternity or rejected for eternity. Your name is either retained in the
book or left out. And if it’s retained in the book you are forever
(Same man) So back to the beginning
of the testing...
(Wilfred) Right. Now I have been
tested on allegiance to God. God knows what my choice is in spite of
the twelve chocolates because the moment I get through with the twelve
chocolates and I suddenly realize what I’ve done I feel just like what
Peter must have felt after he got through swearing that he didn’t know
his Lord. Did God reject him? Did God tell Peter who was responsible?
(Same man) Unintelligible
(Wilfred) He sure did. Now I
hesitate to say that Peter did not have some responsibility and I also
hesitate to say that I don’t have some responsibility, but I am reading
from the book and it says that the responsibility is placed on the head
of the scapegoat. So if I am responsible he is going to get a double
(Same man) I have another thought
on why after 1844 as far as reckoning past, you know? We have a lot
more knowledge after this period, a lot more communication, a lot more
means by which to spread the truth, a lot more minds know it than ever
before because of radio, TV, whatever, I think these things could be
related to as this being a time when more people are more responsible
than ever before. Do you get what I am trying to say? I didn’t say it
(Wilfred) Yes, I understand what
you’re saying. That is we have a greater obligation to accomplish more
than people in former times because we have far greater facilities and
far better knowledge and understanding than they had.
(Same man) Yes, they didn’t even
have near the means to hear and to know and have faith by hearing and
all this and they didn’t have the facilities to hear and we have all
the responsibilities than any other people, probably forever.
(John) Sister White says it this
way; we have the accumulated light of the ages shinning on our pathway.
(Same man) Yes, that’s what I meant
(Another man) We also have Daniel’s
(Another man) Could this be one of
the reasons why Satan in the last days is coming with increased power
to deceive if possible the very elect because he knows that the more he
can deceive the less punishment he would go through?
(Wilfred) Now there is a thought. I
hadn’t though about that.
(John) I have often thought about
that. The more people he can get into his kingdom the less he is going
to have to suffer.
(Wilfred) Because the wicked are
going to suffer for their own...
(Same man) And God has put the
pressure on him that way; he’s bringing things to a climax.
(Wilfred) The devil is going to
suffer for the confessed sins of God’s people in all ages. And yet here
she says, since 1844. Now she says it both ways. And I say again like
I’ve said many times before, God never makes a mistake. There is a
significance in this statement. If there was not a significance it
would not have been said. She would have said, He pauses to put on the
head of the scapegoat all the sins that have been confessed from all
ages. But that is not what she said.
Somebody had a question back there
(A woman in the audience) On the
Day of Atonement the high priest just went over the sins of God’s
(Wilfred) Yes. The sins that have
been confessed and transferred... OH! On the Day of Atonement? Yes, Ok.
(Same woman continuing) Because
those that didn’t go in they weren’t his people and haven’t been
confessed they weren’t in there.
(Wilfred) Well, do yours go in if
the door is shut?
(Same woman) This is what I mean,
we weren’t even born in 1844.
(John) We’ve been since that time
(Same woman) Yes, that’s what I
(Another woman) It may have
something to do with the book of life where all God’s children are
written since that time?
(Wilfred) Yes it does. They’re
going through the names in the book of life and when your name goes in
the book of life when you accept the Lord, when you accept the message.
And He goes through them to verify that you remain in. And the only
thing that would erase your name is if you have rejected it, gone out,
then your door is closed. Not to say that, and I read that someplace
this afternoon, that He doesn’t reject you immediately if you decide to
go out, He gives you a period of time to reconsider. But when you
finally reject, that’s it, you’re through. Well, if that’s what you’ve
done when your name comes up in the judgment then He crosses that name
out. And He no longer bears the penalty for your sins, Satan and
yourself are going to bear it, yes she says that Satan is going to bear
his share of your sins.
(John) Is there a significance in
what you are studying, to the statement, and the Bible about some mans
sins go beforehand to judgment?
(Wilfred) Yes there is.
(John) Does that tie in?
(John) Then there is another
statement that has always puzzled me. Maybe I shouldn’t bring it up,
it’s in the Bible though.
(Wilfred) You can bring it up.
(John) It says it is appointed unto
men once to die but after that the judgment.
(Wilfred) Well, I’ll admit
I’m building up to something here, I’m laying a foundation because
sooner or later you’re going to have to move into an explanation of all
these things if you are going to survive or else the devil through his
theologians is going to cut you down. You’ve got to have an answer.
(Same woman) If we don’t have an
answer does that mean our faith would fail?
(Another man) You’ll question
(Wilfred) Yes you’ll start to
(John) Isn’t there going to be a
difference between the depth of understanding that the hundred and
forty four thousand have who go through to translation and the great
multitude who will be laid away prior to the close of probation?
(Wilfred) Very decidedly.
(John) If some people don’t
understand some of these key points it doesn’t mean that they are going
to be lost it just means that they may not be a part of that other
(Wilfred) When I made that
statement I was referring to the hundred and forty four thousand. And
I’ll add this, that the differential in understanding of truth is going
to cause a shaking among God’s people and it’s going to cause a test of
fellowship, brotherly love. Did you get that?
God is going to bring truth into
his Church, and I can read it to you, to test his people on the point
of brotherly love and his last prayer was that prayer that they all
might be one as He is one with his Father. That they might love one
another as the Father has love Him and He loved the Father. Do you
remember that? Can you love somebody who has an opinion that is
diametrically opposed to yours? Can you love somebody that takes one of
these statements, and I’m going to read them, I’m going to read one.
And can you meet up with somebody who takes the other statement and
builds his castle on it and you have yours built on the first one and
still be brothers and love one another? That’s a test; I’m telling you
that’s a test. But here is what she says in Great Controversy 426; “The
coming of the bridegroom, here brought to view, takes place before the
marriage. The marriage represents the reception by Christ of His
kingdom.” Remember He is going into the most holy apartment. And
she says that the coming of the bridegroom takes place before the
marriage, well He goes into the most holy place before He receives his
kingdom. Now that’s the way she is interpreting the marriage at this
point. “The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and
representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the
Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the spirit," says the prophet,
"And showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of
heaven from God. Clearly, then,” Now here’s the point “The
bride represents the Holy City, and the virgins that go out to meet the
bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the people of
God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9.
If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride.” Got
that? All right, now you say, the church is the guest at the wedding
not the bride. Got that?
Now let me read the other side of
the picture. And this is why some of these critics come up every once
in a while with mimeographed material saying “We’d better get
straighten around here we’re kind of a little shady here on some of
these things. Maybe our prophet isn’t what she professes to be. She
aught to be honest and tell the truth. That‘s what this fellow says, I
got a letter here and copies of parts of the letter and I don’t agree
with him. See? I take his arguments and the passages that he has and
all the rest of it that’s solid and genuine but he is coming to the
wrong conclusions. Don’t let contradictions in the Spirit of Prophecy
shake your faith in it. These are the keys that unlock the Orions that
go on into the spaces of larger truth. Hang on if you can’t understand
it, put it on a shelve. Listen, I’m reading from volume 7A SDA Bible
Commentary 985, “God is the Husband of His Church.” Listen! “The church is the bride, the Lamb's wife. Every true believer is a
part of the body of Christ. Christ regards unfaithfulness shown to Him
by His people as the unfaithfulness of a wife to her husband. We are to
remember that we are members of Christ's body
And here is another one. “The
church is the bride, the Lamb's wife. She should keep herself pure,
sanctified, holy. Never should she indulge in any foolishness; for she
is the bride of a King. Yet she does not realize her exalted position.
If she understood this, she would be all-glorious within.” Isn’t
that a statement?
And here is a third one; “The
church is the bride of Christ, and her members are to yoke up with
their Leader. God warns us not to defile our garments.”
(John) These statements saying the
church is the bride and the other one says they cannot be the bride,
they are guests, appear to be contradictory.
(Wilfred) Appear to be
contradictory, that’s right. They appear to be absolutely
contradictory. Now let me tell you. There is a solution. There is a
solution. You say Johnson give it to us.
(Another man) How about the
hundred and forty four thousand being the Bride the rest of us the
(Wilfred) You hit it right on the
head. In a sense the entire church is the bride of Christ, in a sense
the entire church are guests.
(Same man) Because their saints and
the hundred and forty four thousand would be saints and they would
outclass the others.
(Wilfred) But she says that if they
are guests they can’t be the bride. And then in another place three
times they are the bride and that’s what gets some people down.
Prophet, prophet of God, true
prophet, what would you answer?
(John) Back in the Old Testament it
says, that the people of the Lord shall be called “The city of the
(Wilfred) And they are going to
have New Jerusalem written in their foreheads. And in Ezekiel 9 she
talks about the sealing, going through the midst of Jerusalem and she
says that’s the church. So, the church is the bride, the Lambs wife.
That follows logically it has to be. But how come she says though, if
we are guests we cannot be the bride. It must be two different groups
of people. Who are the ones that are married to Christ before the close
of probation? The hundred and forty four thousand. Where are the rest
of them? Who goes into the marriage and is married?
(John) The hundred and forty four
(Wilfred) The hundred and forty
four thousand. He says, open the door. Open the door to the Laodiceans
and I will come in to sup with you. In John 14 He says, The Comforter
will come, see? I will not leave you comfortless. We will come to you.
We will dwell in you. Don’t you see? They twain shall be one flesh. The
marriage union comes to those who are called, chosen, and faithful
during the Laodicean period and are over-comers with Christ. They are
the ones who go in to the marriage. The others are not there they are
in the graves and when they come up they come up to the marriage supper
of the Lamb and here on earth to before they are guests, so to speak.
They receive the wedding garment and so on. There is an application to
them which is somewhat different to the application to the others. And
the Bible is full of that type of thing. An application here another
application there in a more expanded way.
(John) I just want to say, the one
who receives the garment of imputed righteousness the hundred and forty
four thousand will receive the full imparted righteousness.
(Wilfred) That’s true. That’s true.
(John) Sister White clearly made a
distinction between that there would be two groups in heaven of the
redeemed. He was seen going up to the city and He raised his glorious
right arm and said only the hundred and forty four thousand enter this
(Wilfred) I would like to read a
little more here and make a few more comments then we will be through.
Page 43 Early Writings.
Those “Who had not kept the
true Sabbath, now rest in hope; for they had not the light and the test
on the Sabbath which we now have since that door was opened. I saw that
Satan was tempting some of God's people on this point. Because so many
good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith and have
not kept the true Sabbath,” And my father was one of them. “They were doubting about its being a test for us now.
enemies of the present truth have been trying to open the door of the
holy place,” Now if anybody tries to open the door of the holy
place who is it? An enemy of the truth. “That Jesus has shut,” Well, I am not so sure that I can just make a blanket answer to
that question. I think there is a little more in here, John. If you’re
going to try to open that door to the holy place that Jesus has shut
you are doing it under the inspiration of somebody other than Christ.
So don’t do it. Don’t try to fit in the sanctuary service with an open
door in the holy apartment because you’ll be wrong if you do, that door is
shut. “And to close the door of the most holy place, which
He opened in 1844,” Now don’t try to close that one. You now have
the privilege of going into the most holy. I’ll be more specific, you
are now living in the time of the latter rain and the latter rain was
to come at the end the harvest, near the end of the growing season.
Just before the harvest, Testimony
to Ministers, to ripen the grain and
to prepare it for the sickle. And she says in another place to bring
about perfection. So when you go into the most holy place if the door
is open to the most holy place, what does it really mean? It means that
the door is open now for you not to just come in now and receive
imputed righteous and be saved it means that you can now come in and
receive imparted righteousness and be purified and made perfect, holy,
that’s what it means. And there have been people in our denomination
including theologians clear down to Washington and Andrews who have
said that door is shut. Not in so many words but they have said that
you cannot become perfect until Jesus comes the second time. They made
one slip; they should have said, you cannot become perfect until Jesus
comes suddenly to his temple in the marriage union to purify and clean
the sons of Levi. If they had said that then they would have been
correct. But they didn’t. Now who inspired that doctrine?
(John) Enemies of the truth.
(Wilfred) I had somebody shaking
his head at me when I said that not too many days ago. Anybody here
that wants to shake your head? The floor is open if you can prove that
I am wrong. I’ll be the first one to recant. But do you realize that
there are men all over our denomination who are coming out and saying
exactly as I am saying. But not quite as loudly on that spot because we
don’t what to hurt one another. I have made my mistakes, see? But I
want you folks to understand the truth that the devil is trying to
bring heresies into our church right through some of our leaders. And
God help them to see it and He is also trying to do it through you and
me. So we’re no better off. Can we be tolerant? Can we be loving? Can
we be kind? Let’s speak the truth and love the brethren anyway. So
then. “Where the ark is, containing the two tables of stone on
which are written the ten commandments by the finger of Jehovah.”
now using every device in this sealing time to keep the minds of God's
people from the present truth and to cause them to waver.” And
that‘s certainly is true. “I saw a covering that God was drawing
over His people to protect them in the time of trouble; and every soul
that was decided on the truth and was pure in heart was to be covered
with the covering of the Almighty.” Did you notice the condition?
Decided on the truth and pure in heart, then you will be covered.
knew this, and he was at work in mighty power to keep the minds of as
many people as he possibly could wavering and unsettled on the truth. I
saw that the mysterious knocking in New York and other places was the
power of Satan, and that such things would be more and more common,
clothed in a religious garb so as to lull the deceived to greater
security and to draw the minds of God's people, if possible, to those
things and cause them to doubt the teachings and power of the Holy
Ghost.” She is talking here about satanic delusions and
manifestations of the last days, and she goes on to describe more of
them, the false Holy Ghost.
that Satan was working through agents in a number of ways. He was at
work through ministers who have rejected the truth and are given over
to strong delusions
to believe a lie
that they might be damned. While they were preaching or praying, some
would fall prostrate and helpless, not by the power of the Holy Ghost,
but by the power of Satan breathed upon these agents, and through them
to the people. While preaching, praying, or conversing, some professed
Adventists who had rejected present truth used mesmerism (Hypnotism) to
gain adherents, and the people would rejoice in this influence, for
they thought it was the Holy Ghost. Some even that used it were so far
in the darkness and deception of the devil that they thought it was the
power of God, given them to exercise. They had made God altogether such
a one as themselves and had valued His power as a thing of naught.”
“Some of these agents of Satan were
affecting the bodies of some of the saints, those whom they could not
deceive and draw away from the truth by a satanic influence. Oh, that
all could get a view of it as God revealed it to me, that they might
know more of the wiles of Satan and be on their guard!” See, if he
can’t get you intellectually he will get you physically, that’s what
she is saying. “I saw that Satan was at work in these ways to
distract, deceive, and draw away God's people, just now in this sealing
time. I saw some who were not standing stiffly for present truth. Their
knees were trembling, and their feet sliding, because they were not
firmly planted on the truth, and the covering of Almighty God could not
be drawn over them while they were thus trembling.”
trying his every art to hold them where they were, until the sealing
was past, until the covering was drawn over God's people, and they left
without a shelter from the burning wrath of God in the seven last
plagues. God has begun to draw this covering over his people and it
will soon be drawn over all who are to have a shelter in the day of
slaughter. God will work in power for his people; and Satan will be
permitted to work also.”
that the mysterious signs and wonders and false reformations would
increase and spread. The reformations that were shown me were not
reformations from error to truth. My accompanying angel bade me look
for the travail of soul for sinners as used to be. I looked, but could
not see it; for the time for their salvation is past.” Well that
was in 1849 that she saw that.
(Larry) Could I ask one question,
(Wilfred) Yes. Go ahead.
(Larry) The marriage of the Lamb
occurred while He was in the most holy place. A hundred and forty four
thousand are on this earth. I am not sure that I fully understand this
marriage part while He is in the most holy place.
(Wilfred) Ok, you probably missed
the meetings that we had when we discussed that.
Very briefly, it is the coming of
the Holy Ghost in Malachi
chapter 3 suddenly to His temple as the
messenger of the covenant to bring about the fulfillment of the
Everlasting Covenant in the lives of the saints today and purify the
sons of Levi and make them holy. That coming is a union; she says it
here in Great Controversy
page 426 that I read at the beginning.
“The coming of Christ as our high
priest to the most holy place, for the cleansing of the sanctuary, the
coming of the Son of man to the Ancient of Days, in Daniel; and the
coming of the Lord to his temple, foretold by Malachi, and the coming
of the bridegroom to the marriage are all the same events. And I
pointed out that He not only came to the most holy of the temple of
heaven but He comes through his Spirit to his temple here on earth to
cleanse and purify it and that is the marriage union. The head of the
new body of Christ is married to the members in particular of that
body. Ephesians I
think chapter 4 he talks about that.
(Another man in the audience)
Brother Johnson, You mentioned this covering. Do you have any idea of what
this covering is?
(Wilfred) Yes, it’s the robe, the
wedding garment, the righteousness of Christ. You are covered by his
righteousness so that all of your sins are taken care of, forgiven, and
you are perfect before God as though you had never sinned and God
treats you like He treats his own Son. That’s the covering. But it goes
beyond that. And I could read you that from Christ’s Object Lessons but
I didn’t bring it tonight and I don’t remember the page. It goes on to
say that it is the perfect obedience to the law of God. The imputed
righteousness of Christ is only a part of it. It also includes the
imparted righteousness and she says; this is what it means to be
covered with the robes of Christ righteousness and she’s talking about
perfect obedience in that statement. Maybe John can find it; he’s
(Same man) There is another point
on that because I’ve been studying on this, she points out that the
health message is very very important at this time. I was wondering if
perhaps that’s part of it? Especially when we see all down through the
ages how health has been a large point and she points out that it is
the right hand of the third angel’s message.
(Wilfred) I can answer that in just
one sentence. If you put the wrong chemicals into your body you are
disrupting the process of the brain. The brain is an electrochemical
factory. It depends for it’s proper functioning on the correct
ingredients. If you put the wrong ingredients into the machinery it’s
not going to function right. You cannot understand spiritual things,
especially the deeper mysteries of God if your mind isn’t clear. And
your mind cannot be clear if you put a lot of junk food into your
stomach, it’s just that simple. Even if you put too much good food in
your stomach. Lots of people think that when they are really hungry and
they need all that food and they eat and eat and eat and they get all
sorts of symptoms afterwards and wonder why they don’t feel good. It’s
very simple. Cut it in half and you won’t have those symptoms.
(Same man) I was brought up to eat
only enough to still have a little hunger left.
(Wilfred) Do you know what Sister
White says? She says thousands are dying from over-eating. And that’s
not just fat people, that’s skinny ones too.
Well listen, “In the parable of
Matthew 22 the same
figure of the marriage is introduced, and the
investigative judgment is clearly represented as taking place before
the marriage. Previous to the wedding the king comes in to see the
guests, to see if all are attired in the wedding garment, the spotless
robe of character washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb.” ....
Do you get the picture?
(Larry) Where are you reading?
(Wilfred) Great Controversy page
“He who is found wanting is cast
out, but all who upon examination are seen to have the wedding garment
on are accepted of God and accounted worthy of a share in His kingdom
and a seat upon His throne. This work of examination of character, of
determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the
investigative judgment, the closing of work in the sanctuary above.”
“When the work of investigation
shall be ended, when the cases of those who in all ages have professed
to be followers of Christ have been examined and decided, then, and not
till then, probation will close, and the door of mercy will be shut.
Thus in one short sentence, they that were ready went in with Him to
the marriage: and the door was shut," Now she seems to have
interpreted that to mean the close of probation at that point, but you
have to make allowance for the time period during which they are going
in, they don’t all go in at once..." ”We are carried down through
the Saviour's final ministration, to the time when the great work for
man's salvation shall be completed.”
Well there’s much more here. Let me
go back just very briefly.
There are two apartments in the
sanctuary during the yearly service, the door to the holy apartment is
opened but the one to the most holy is shut. The priest carries the
sins of the people into the holy apartment and they are recorded in the
sanctuary through the sprinkling of blood. The Holy Spirit incidentally
is the communicating agent between heaven and earth in addition to the
angels. He is the direct link between God and his people. Whatsoever He
hears that He speaks. And it is through the sprinkling of that blood
that the sins are recorded in the true tabernacle which is Christ.
Every sin that you commit, that you come to the sanctuary and confess
and ask forgiveness you are crucifying afresh the Son of God. And your
sin is being recorded in his temple, He becomes aware and He suffers
the consequences of it at that point. Now, don’t ask me for any further
details on that, I don’t have them. All I know is that you crucify Him
afresh when you do it.
On the Day of Atonement the priest
took the blood into the holy apartment and he closed the door and he
went and opened the door to the most holy and on into the most holy
where he stood before the Ark where the Commandments were and the
Sabbath flag was. And these things are made clear to the people and
they stand outside afflicting their souls and anybody who did not stand
outside afflicting their souls, do you know the penalty was? They were
put to death on the Day of Atonement back there.
Now we are to be doing the same
thing today. That’s back there in 5 Testimonies for the Churches.
you doing it? How do you feel about your sins? Do they bother you at
all? How do you feel about afflicting Christ and crucifying Him afresh?
Does it have any meaning to you? Do you have the vision of love that
God has toward you? Have you experienced a share of His sufferings so
you find out exactly what you are doing to Him and know what a tolerant
and patient and long suffering God He must be to still hang out there
and give you several more days and several more years the reason He
hasn’t closed down on it is the fact that He knows that you are not
ready yet. So he continues to bear it. But He’s pleading and pleading
and pleading and He is waiting with longing desire. You should have
that statement memorized by now. And when He sees his character
perfectly reproduced in his people then He’ll come to claim them. But
that will not happen until He comes suddenly to his temple, the real
secret rapture, not the spurious one, the real one. He is going to
come, secretly, suddenly, to his temple. And one will receive the
outpouring of that Spirit and another will not know that he got it. Do
you see? One shall be taken and the other left and that is the
that Sister White applies that passage to. The coming of Christ to his
temple. She applies that; one shall be taken the other left. Two women
shall be grinding at the mill one taken the other left. Not going to
disappear into space, No, one is going to be selected and will become
united in the marriage union and figuratively goes into the most holy
with Christ in the sanctuary. And He receives his Kingdom through them
because He now has their allegiance. Got it?
Now that takes place since 1844.
How do the sins get into the sanctuary since 1844? You read Sister
White and it appears that they do, but she explains that this is a
testing period and we are being tested on what is in the holy
apartment. Formally we were tested on what’s in the holy, what is it?
Forgiveness of sins and acceptance in the sight of God as though you
had never sinned. Some people find that hard to believe. They can’t
believe righteousness imputed. It’s just too good a thing, just can’t
possibly be so, they can’t take it, they can’t trust God to believe He has
forgiven their sins. They keep worrying about their sins and bring them
back up again and having guilt complexes about it. They don’t trust
God. That’s the test, do you believe the gospel? The test since 1844 is
the Law and Sabbath, allegiance. It doesn’t destroy the former one it
builds on it. Without the former you can’t have the second one. I’ve
But here are mysteries in here.
Mysteries that we have not explained. What happens to those sins? How
come they are the ones placed on the head of the scapegoat at the end
of the probationary period? How does He deal with these sins? Why are
they dealt with differently than those confessed before the Day of
Atonement and so on? I’ll have to leave it at that point. You just keep
asking yourself those questions and keep looking; the solution is in
(A woman in the audience) In the
statements that you made about one being taken and the other left,
where did you take that from?
(Wilfred) I’ll have to find it for
(John) That’s in Great Controversy
under the chapter; "The Investigative Judgment" where she says, some
names are accepted and others are rejected. Is that what she is
(Wilfred) Yes, but there is a
statement in the Bible which says, two women shall be grinding at the
mill one will be taken... And she applies that to the coming of
Christ to the most holy apartment. But I would have to find it I don’t
know right off hand where it is.
(Another woman) Is it not true
after probation closes and God’s people stand without a mediator that
they still have the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit will still be
present with these people?
(Wilfred) Very definitely! Because
when the Spirit, John
chapter 14, When the Spirit comes to his people
He will abide with them forever.
(Same woman) So if we know His
voice now we will know it then... Unintelligible
(Wilfred) That’s correct. It’s
unity between divinity and humanity that keeps us from sin, same as
(John) You talked about the
covering of Christ being his righteousness that covering that Sister
White saw in vision drawing over and that’s found on pages 310 and 311
of Christ’s Object Lessons.
She says, by the wedding garments in the
parable is represents the pure spotless character which Christ’s true
followers will possess and then she says it is the righteousness of
Christ, His own unblemished character, that through faith is imparted
to all who receive Him as their personal Saviour.
(Wilfred) Did you notice the word
(John) Over here on the next page
she says, only the covering which Christ himself has provided can make
us meet to appear in God's presence. Then she goes on to say, This
robe, woven in the loom of heaven, has in it not one thread of human
devising. Christ in His humanity wrought out a perfect character, and
this character He offers to impart to us.
(Wilfred) Excellent, that’s it,
(John) And there is the covering
that was mentioned in Early
Writings. It is the robe of Christ’s
righteous, not imputed, imparted.
(Wilfred) You will have perfect
obedience to his Law.
(John) But I think in order to get
that you must have perfect confidence first that He has accepted you in
spite of your sins because you are sorry for them.
(Wilfred) Otherwise your motive
wouldn’t be correct.
Well I left you with some problems
and questions I know that and...
(The conclusion of this two C/D
series on The Open and Shut Door Dilemma)